The Gift of Prophecy in the Age of Grace - What does the Bible really teach?
Video I posted Eight Years ago. I opened my curtains to see this amazing view of the cross and words written on the top of the window. I was deeply inspired to look deeper into this and I received a tremendous sense of urgency to know the Rapture comes soon and that those who are left behind in the Tribulation are also soon to meet their fate.
An amazing personal revelation from God on the very soon coming Rapture of the Bride of Christ and the Tribulation that will follow. If you do not know Jesus Christ as your savior, please do it now! How? You believe that Jesus came and died on the cross for your sins, he was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV. But after the Rapture, those left behind will no longer be under the dispensation of GRACE. Works plus faith will be required. Time has run out! If you find this video after learning that millions of Christians have disappeared, please call on the name of Jesus to be saved and DO NOT TAKE THE MARK.
Today I received a comment from a reader who took offense to this video stating primarily that it was not biblical to say such things.
Here is my response.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
We're not going to take this video down for the reasons presented here.
What we are going to do - however - is we are going to hold Bible study, right here, right now Praise God! We're going to study the WORD of God rightly divided in accordance with 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. We’re going to PROVE all things in accordance with 1 Thessalonians 5:21 KJV. Afterwards I would ask you to kindly read my response here, study it carefully and email why you may find a different interpretation of what I write to defend the biblical basis for my video.
I promise I will read your response and keep an open mind. If I find your response is biblical sound and I be in error, I will take this video down immediately.
Okay, Let's begin our lesson, shall we? Let’s first study to see what the word of God says - rightly divided - regarding spiritual revelation given to the Saints that is CONFIRMING what is WRITTEN in the word of God - rightly divided in this dispensation of GRACE. 1 Corinthians 2:15 KJV. A Spiritual man of God cannot be judged. Your wrongful attempt to judge that which is both granted me, afforded me, and encouraged to perform for the purpose of edification of the saints in accordance with our blessed hope proves you as either a carnal Christian, a baby Christian, or a religious pharisee. I ask you to examine your heart and deal with this between you and God. We are commanded to 1. NOT QUENCH THE SPIRIT. 1 Thessalonians 5:19 KJV. 2. NOT TO DESPISE PROPHESYINGS. 1 Thessalonians 5:20 KJV. 3. PROVE ALL THINGS (any prophetic - spiritually inspired utterance of the saint and match with the word of God rightly divided). 1 Thessalonians 5:21 KJV. 4. ENCOURAGE EACH OTHER FOR OUR BLESSED HOPE.1 Thessalonians 5:20 KJV. We are also given exceedingly great promises for this age: Read Ephesians Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 carefully. Focus on who we are IN CHRIST.
Read my Blog about our Spiritual Authority IN Christ and what it means to Strive Lawfully
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2021/12/the-most-powerful-lesson-every-saint.html
Read my Blog about our Spiritual Authority IN Christ and what it means to Strive Lawfully
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2021/12/the-most-powerful-lesson-every-saint.html
I fully understand The Age of the Apostolic Anointing ended with the last of the apostles. The Kingdom Dispensation was phased out by Acts 9 - The conversion of Paul- and was ended by Acts 28 when Paul no longer mentioned the works granted by Jesus Christ in Mark 16:15-18 KJV. All spiritual gifts as signs and wonders for the church fade out 1 Corinthians 13 KJV, but only the spirit of prophecy remains in part for both purposes of the gift of interpreting divine will or purpose, gift of prophesying, eg, Rom 12:6, 1 Cor 12:10, 13:2, 8, 14:22, 1 Thess 5:20, Rev 19:10. the utterance of one who interprets divine will or purpose, prophecy, eg, Matt 13:14, 2 Peter 1;20, 1 Cor 14:6, 1 Thess 5:20, 1:18, 4:14, Rev 1:3, 22:7, 10, 18, 19. KJV.
Prophecy will finally come to an end at the end of this age (Dispensation). Or at the RAPTURE of the Church for the church and continue for the Tribulation Saints until the 2nd Advent. 1 Corinthians 13:9,10 applies.
The gift of Prophecy is the greatest of the gifts. 1 Corinthians Chapter 14 KJV. Why? Because it is for the purpose to build up and edify the body of Christ. Read 1 Corinthians 14:3 KJV.
After reading, pray the Lord gives you a deep understanding of this. The powerful inspiration I received that morning from the Holy Spirit to confirm our soon RAPTURE and the Hell to follow in the Tribulation for those who are left behind was confirmed to me visually in the most powerful way.
Pharisees or Baby Christians should not or can not eat meat or comprehend the things of the Spirit because they apprehend spiritual things carnally.
I understand that I am compelled as a mature Christian not to cause someone like you to stumble and therefore should refrain from exchanging these experiences with you in person. However, I am not to allow you to tie up or restrict or place your “unlearned” “undeveloped” OR Religious Pharisee burdens on me and worse I am not allowed by God’s word RIGHTLY DIVIDED TO allow you to QUENCH THE SPIRIT. 1 Corinthians 10:29-30 KJV.
Please read my Blog THE TYRANNY OF THE WEAKER BROTHER … In other words: How we are to deal with one who reads the Bible but either lacks spiritual maturity or is a carnal Christian or who frankly is a lost reprobate religious pharisee pretending to be a Christian
EVERY WORD I spoke was NOT new revelation NOR was any word spoken that Is NOT in accordance with the scripture given for this age of GRACE we are not in the time NOT of signs and wonders or NEW Revelation. Amen! Listen to me carefully. I said nothing NEW - OUTSIDE of WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN REVEALED: The Rapture of the Body of Christ and the following Tribulation is in scripture for the Church. I am commanded to be subject to the prophets. Read 1 Corinthians 14:32 KJV. What I saw is no different than seeing the Revelation 12:5 Sign in the Heavens. There are those who condemn the Revelation 12 sign in the heavens as both astrology and evil.
Church age prophecy is NOT about new revelation BUT rather confirming what HAS BEEN WRITTEN. This is clearly about making the WILL OF GOD AS DEFINED IN SCRIPTURE CLEAR TO THE BODY OF CHRIST. TO CONFIRM WHAT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS ESPECIALLY REGARDING ESCHATOLOGY. TO BUILD AND ENCOURAGE THE SAINTS WITH EVENTS (EARTHQUAKES, FOR EXAMPLE SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS FOR EXAMPLE, AND STRANGE EVENTS THAT SHOW AND CONFIRM PROPHECY ALREADY WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE.
NEVER do I say words like: Thus saith the Lord," and give words THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE... God Forbid!
Here are a few links to study on why Paul who was given the dispensation of GRACE and preached the GOSPEL OF GRACE would focus on PROPHECY. Prophecy and the prophetic as aspects of Paul's theology
Although I love and use Bible Berean Society material often, they are correct in all aspects here as I quote them: When Did the Gift of Tongues Cease? | Berean Bible Society
https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/when-did-the-gift-of-tongues-cease/
“ The sign gifts, tongues, prophecy, the gift of healing, etc. were operating all through the Book of Acts, and these gifts are mentioned in the letters that Paul wrote during the Acts period. But when we turn to the letters written after the Book of Acts—the 4 Prison Epistles, and the 3 Pastoral Epistles, we find that the sign gifts either aren’t mentioned at all or we see—as with the gift of healing—that they were no longer operating in Paul’s life. What he could do in Acts 28, he could no longer do in Philippians, or in 1 and 2 Timothy. He could heal all the sick on the island in Acts 28:9, but he couldn’t heal any of his closest co-workers—Timothy, Epaphroditus, Trophimus—after the close of the Book of Acts
However ALL of the GIFTS did NOT include Prophecy. 1 Corinthians 13:9 and 10 KJV are clear. Bible Berean claims falsely that the end is not the end of this age but rather the end of the revealed mystery. I ask you, How in the world can this verse be misunderstood by Bereans? 1 Corinthians 13:9 and 10 be translated as anything else than when we’re in our glorified bodies and with Jesus Christ at the end of this age?
Here’s more reason to rebuke the Berean society and many other that can’t understand the simplicity of scripture.
Quote from Are there Spiritual Gifts today or have they Ceased (letusreason.org) http://www.letusreason.org/Doct77.htm
Note: To clarify I believe that the only partially operating spiritual gift operating in the body of Christ today is the spirit of prophecy. There is ample proof like healing and tongues have ceased. I disagree with Let us reason.org in that all gifts are still in operation since scripture is clear in 1 Corinthians 13:9 and 10 KJV. I invite you to read Let us reason .org to see great justification on why the end of prophecy will be at the Rapture and not when the canon Bible is complete which Berean wrongly interprets.
Here's excerpt from let us reason.org;
Begin quote: 1 Cor.13:8-10 “Love never fails, but whether there are prophecies they will fail, whether there are tongues they will cease, whether there is knowledge it will vanish for we know in part and we prophecy in part. but when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.” In these verses, Paul draws distinctions in maturity to explain that a day will come when the gifts will no longer be necessary (v. 8). First, the gifts are partial and not perfect (v. 9). They will help bring the Church to a certain level of maturity, but cannot complete her. A time will come when they have done their job, maturing the Church as far as it could go, then something else must happen- perfect comes. When that something else must happen is what Paul deals with in verse 10: 1 Cor.13:10
“For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, 1 felt as a child, I thought as a child. now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.” Some believe perfect is the canon of Scripture. So the question that must be answered, is “perfect” the Bible? Paul says the gifts are partial and unable to complete us. At that time he wrote this the canon was not complete. The Bible was being developed, letters were still being written then.
If perfect is the completion of the canon then it had not taken place yet, it was still in the future. It is rare when a single word can dictate the meaning of a Scriptures teaching on a subject or a whole portion of teaching. So we must read this through in context to its conclusion to understand what Paul meant. 1 Cor. 1:7 if perfect has come, then we no longer need faith or hope for all that is in part is done away with. Prophecies will fail, tongues will cease, but it also says knowledge will vanish. Do we not still have knowledge and adding to it daily? (Paul says about the present, for ‘Now I know in part, 1 Cor. 13:12) The word fail means to fall off, to cease, to become unnecessary.
How much of the New Testament needed to be written until the gifts were no longer active? It does not say "the word "is the perfect but that which is perfect is come, which has to do with US. Where else do we find the word perfect in Scripture? We do know the Greek term for perfect is a neuter “teleios.” the full-grown- telos - end, the mature. teleios (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with 3588) completeness: KJV-- of full age, man, perfect. It is the same word found in Eph 4:13 “till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; Matt 5:48 "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” teleios from 5056; complete, mature. 1) brought to its end, finished 2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness 3) perfect 4) what is perfect a) consummate human integrity and virtue b) used of men, full grown, adult, of full age, mature
The same word for perfect is used in Matt 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." It means to be fulfilled or complete as grown up, not acting like child (in this case it was someone being trained under the law). Any specific word used in the Greek should always support the context of the sentence, “the spirit of the text.” If it does not, then we should look for another meaning. Perfect is used in numerous ways: Rom 12:2 perfect will of God. Col 1:28 that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. James 1:4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. James 3:2 If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
All these would be summed up by Paul Eph 4:13" “till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” The intent of the ministerial gifts are to equip us, until the fullness of Christ. The “know in part, and we prophesy in part” refer to our knowledge and the spiritual gifts (verse 9).
Only when perfect comes will these come to an end. Does it make sense that gifts given to the church are no longer operating after the death of the last apostle? Are we to believe they woke up the next day and no spiritual gifts were ever used again? Is this an acceptable position, since everyone is continuing in teaching, serving and growing in knowledge. 1 Corinthians 13:11-12: “When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”
The words “became a man” Greek-ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen" erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.): It means something had permanently changed, it came to pass. If that which is perfect was a reference to the completion of the canon of Scripture- we would now know more today than Paul and the apostles did (v. 9); we would be completely mature as a body of believers. The coming of the “perfect” which Paul refers is about a future state, which will replace our present state permanently.
The perfect cannot be the New Testament canon because no one can say they know everything fully now (or as we are known), nor have we put away childish thoughts and ways. Vs.11 we are children now with only a little understanding, but there is a day when we will become mature, complete. While on earth we see things dimly as if in a mirror that is blurred, in contrast when we get to heaven we will see [Him] face to face, then we will know not in part but with a full-complete knowledge. We will know him even as we are known. Even the apostles as individuals had not received the full revelation but it was given in portions to each one of them. But there is a day when we will all be changed together as the body of Christ and become pure, mature, sinless and immortal. It is that day when we will know, the all will be known.
But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away- in other words the things that we know in part will be gone. V.12 “For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.” Paul is not predicting that he and the Corinthians would see the completion of the cannon of Scripture during their time but that sometime “the church” in the future we will see Christ "face to face." Paul is saying there is a day when we would all know God even as God knows us. Our growth in our relationship will be complete. When someone is away they write letters but when they are present we see them face to face. This is why this can’t mean the Scripture written for us is the perfect, as we wait for Christ to come again.
The gifts are in operation until He who is perfect comes, then we see HIM face to face we will not need the letters. The Church is complete and removed from the earth at the Rapture/ resurrection this is when we will see him face to face, then the spiritual gifts will end, there use is no longer needed to mature us. The body of Christ is complete at the rapture/ resurrection of the church. 1 Cor. 1:7-8: “so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Notice, Paul says when perfect comes it will be face to face. As the apostle John states in I John 3:2: “Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.” Just as Paul said in the passage on the gifts in 1 Cor.13:12 “Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.” It is then imperfect knowledge will cease.
In other words if perfect had come we would then see face to face, we would be changed, transformed to a perfect man in the likeness of Christ. Face to face- Greek- prosopon pros prosopon. a) the front of the human head b) countenance, look; the face so far forth as it is the organ of sight, and by it various movements and changes) the index of the inward thoughts and feelings c) the appearance one presents by his wealth or property, his rank or low condition 1) outward circumstances, external condition 2) used in expressions which denote to regard the person in one's judgment and treatment of men 2) the outward appearance of inanimate things from 4314 and ops (the visage, from 3700); the front (as being towards view), i.e. the countenance, aspect, appearance, surface; by implication, presence, person: KJV-- (outward) appearance, X before, countenance, face, fashion, (men's) person, presence. Acts 25:16 "To them I answered, 'It is not the custom of the Romans to deliver any man to destruction before the accused meets the accusers face to face, and has opportunity to answer for himself concerning the charge against him.” Face- Greek- prosopon This same word pros is in Jn. 1 of The word being WITH God. Towards in deep relationship the front (as being towards view), i.e. the countenance presence, person: This is the same word used for looking at Moses face in 2 Cor.3:7 when he had to put a veil over his face because of the glory that outshined from him from being in the presence of God for 40 days. (Exod. 33:11; Num. 12:8; 14:14; Compare Jn 12:41; 1:1). "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord." 2 Cor. 3:18 " END QUOTE
In conclusion, after carefully reading my comment and studying the scriptures carefully, I urge you to respond so we can study this together
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