Chaplain Bob Walker - Double Down - My Response #EndTimes #Rapture #Tribulation
Background: A few months back Chaplain Bob Walker mocked Pre-Tribulation Rapture believers by posting this video:
I responded immediately with this Blog and associated video
Note: Please make sure to watch the forthcoming video exposing this man as a false teacher: There is much error in his doctrine that culminates to his flawed eschatology.
Bob responded yesterday with the following comments:
See my response to him in RED LETTERS.
In Revelation 20:4-6 there are only 2 Resurrections spoken of:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim.
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation and that is when the resurrection happens.
MY RESPONSE TO BOB WALKER COMMENTS TO MY VIDEO REBUKING HIM AS A FALSE TEACHER
Chaplain, In the spirit of love and truth I will respond to your comments below. I will begin each part with your comment/ question and respond accordingly with scripture in the correct context and harmonized with corresponding scripture.
Part 1:
You write:
In Revelation 20:4-6 there are only 2 Resurrections spoken of:
My response: No… Absolutely NOT. Only a very low informed, feeble minded, non-King James Bible reading weak so-called Christian would blindly follow your teaching here. The problem is you and other false teachers LOVE TO ISOLATE scripture and spoon feed it to the feeble minded. One must study their bible and know the background. I ask you to humble yourself before the Lord and allow me to educate you sir and I caution you in the name of Jesus that as a Chaplain are held to a higher standard and will be held accountable to God for misleading so many. Read James 3:1 King James Bible and Repent!
I don’t know if you’re willfully ignorant or if you’re spiritually blind and honestly cannot see the truth. This begs the question: do you and your kind have the truth in them because look at what Jesus told the Pharisees who were willfully blind and who could NOT SEE THE TRUTH: John 8:42-47… I will leave that here with you to pray about.
Let’s break down the 3 Resurrections as follows:
1. Revelation 20:4 clearly identifies the first group Resurrected as: The Tribulation Saints who have been martyred while in the Tribulation AFTER the Rapture has already taken place. These Tribulation Saints got the ultimate wakeup call after the Saints during this age of GRACE have been removed from this earth by being snatched up (raptured - Latin for snatched, seized, caught up abruptly as a harpazo Strongs #G727 - and changed - transformed #G236 into our glorified body like Jesus when we are “resurrected from the dead. Read (1 Thessalonians 4:16,17; 1 Corinthians 15:52,53; Revelation 12:5.).
These Tribulation saints we are told will number in the millions because of the 144,000 male jewish virgins (Revelation 14:1-3 KJB) the 2 Witnesses (Moses and Elijah) (Revelation 11:3) and the gospel angel flying in the air proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah (Revelation 14:6). would not follow the AC and take the mark. These were LEFT BEHIND because they thought they were NOT saved but most probably assumed they were because they went to church or preached about Jesus but never knew him.
We know clearly these Tribulation Saints are NOT the Body of Christ in this age of Grace .Firstly, the body of Christ is NOT appointed to Wrath and have been spared the time of judgment upon the earth. (1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9). However, the lost are appointed to wrath and Judgment: John 3:36, Hebrews 9:27 and many other scriptures.
2. In Revelation 20:5 King James Bible we are clearly told this group is the LOST souls destined to eternal damnation. They’ve been in hades - hell waiting for their final Judgment at the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT. This is the first resurrection for these and sadly they will suffer a SECOND DEATH. (Revelation 2:11, 20:6 and 20:14). They died the first time and then after their sentence they will be eternally dead - the second death yet be alive in the eternal lake of fire for eternity.
The lost souls from the beginning of time who were not saved. These will be RESURRECTED again from the dead AFTER the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ and stand trial at the Great White Throne Judgment GWTJ. After their sentence they will be cast into the eternal lake of fire and burn FOREVER and ever. The smoke of their torment will rise to heaven for eternity. Revelation 14:11.
3. Revelation 20:6 states: Blessed and holy is he that HATH PART in the FIRST RESURRECTION; on such the SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER.
This is clearly referring to the PreTribulation Rapture Saints who have been RAPTURED and in Heaven with Jesus Christ for seven years and returning with Jesus Christ in His second advent after attending the Marriage Supper of the Lamb with the Tribulation Saints - including Jewish Remnant Revelation 19:4,7,8,9;14; 12:5; Psalm 2, Revelation 2:27, Revelation 3:21, 1:6; 5:10, Galatians 4:26, Romans 8:17; Romans 4:16; Romans 9:25-28; Isaiah 6:13, Hosea 1:10,11, Zechariah 13:9; Micah 2:12, Revelation 2:9,3:9. Revelation 20:4. They will of course join the Tribulation saints at the marriage supper of the Lamb before Armageddon. Read Revelation 19:4,7,8,9.
THE PRETRIBULATION Rapture Saints who will be snatched up out of their graves and the alive who will follow and meet Jesus Christ IN THE AIR. 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51,52, and Revelation 12:5 are very clear on this. Why would Paul repeat the Martyrs and then list them again and say they are part of... Paul is clearly identifying another group here in 20:6.
This harmonizes perfectly with Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:6. All scripture in Revelation referring to the church is represented by the 24 elders. We see the typology - shadow of John being Rapture as he was called up hither when heaven opened as a “trumpet talking” to ‘come up hither. In Revelation 4:1-3. We see the last mention of the 24 elders in Revelation 4 and 5 before the SEAL Judgments begin in Revelation Chapter 6. The 144,000 Jewish male virgins and the Jewish Remnant (the 1 / 3 who will escape into Petra) (Revelation 11 and 12:17) are not considered in the Tribulation saints who were martyred - referred to in Revelation 12:11 - 20:4.
Part 2:
You write:
In the above scriptures, (Revelation 20:4-6) these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim.
My response:
The very fact that John explains the First Resurrection in 3 parts which was broken down by the King James Translators in 3 SEPARATE VERSES blows your argument away. So let us break each of the 3 separate groups…. Repeat 3 SEPARATE Groups down:
John clearly states in Revelation 20:4: The Martyrs (Tribulation Saints beheaded) will be resurrected and reign with Christ for 1,000 years.
In 20:5 he states: The lost souls (from the beginning of time) will be resurrected AFTER the 1,000 years. This is the first resurrection. (Implied definitely as their first resurrection… Repeat their first resurrection this does NOT mean this is the First of only 2 Resurrections. Are you serious? Sadly they will then suffer the second death at the Great White Throne Judgment.
In 20:6 we now see a different group. Hmmm. I wonder who this is? Let’s see: The blessed and holy (The Body of Christ - The Church by God’s grace in the age of Grace Romans 8:17 - Romans 3:21-26, 4:2-6, BLESSED HOLY: Read Ephesians 1:3-5, 2:8, Titus 2:13, Revelation 1:6, 5:10, 12:5,) that has PART in the First Resurrection.. Look up and seriously study the meaning of HATH PART IN. Look up Strongs #3313 for PART meros: “one of the constituent parts of a whole… to get as a section an allotment..a division of…piece of….portion of…
This means the Body of Christ has part in along with the other Saints who come in. Study this carefully and read what Dr. James P. Ware writes in his work titled: “
Jesus’s Resurrection and Ours According to Paul the Apostle
about the Church’s resurrection being fully described in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, specifically verses 42-44 and 52. Quote: Paul shapes his argument, the structure of the syntax in which his thought is given expression, and the lexical meaning of his key terms, reveal that he conceived of resurrection as a tangible, physical event involving the body of flesh and bones. In affirming that Jesus has been “raised” (15:4), Paul affirmed the resurrection of Jesus’s crucified body from the tomb. And in affirming that the faithful will be “raised” (15:42–44, 52), Paul affirmed that our present perishable bodies will be endowed, through the power of Jesus’s resurrection, with imperishable life. In 1 Corinthians 15, as in the Gospels and Acts, the resurrection is understood as the miraculous revivification of the mortal body of flesh and bones, and its transformation so as to be imperishable.: End Quote.
Why would John repeat that the group in Revelation 20:4 again is mentioned to rule 1,000 years with Christ Jesus again in 20:6? And then say the first group is a division of what they have already been identified as????
THE “HATH PART IN” absolutely BLOWS your misguided, foolish, vain argument OUT OF THE WATER…
PART 3:
You write:
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them…
My Comment:
Are you serious? There are 2 groups raptured in this age of Grace, Bob. The dead who were saved before they died get taken up first and then we who are alive get snatched up. I am shocked you’d stoop so low to use this as your argument. This is embarrassing.
Part 4
You write:
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!
My comment:
Again, this is a shocking defense. What happens is the dead who are saved are taken up - snatched up out of the grave and then those alive are also snatched up. The one resurrection of the Dead is referring to and harmonized with Revelation 20:6. These are the Raptured Saints both who were dead and those who were alive who had been raptured BEFORE the Tribulation.
Part 5:
You write:
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
My response:
There are 2 major stumbling blocks in your own understanding that is glaringly obvious:
You do not know how to rightly divide scripture: Read 2 Timothy 2:15 - Dispensations to know the difference between the Kingdom GOSPEL as written in John and the GOSPEL OF GRACE as given to Paul directly from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1) I urge you to study this link:
The Gospel of the Kingdom - doctrine.org
You fail to comprehend the difference between the DAY OF CHRIST and THE DAY OF THE LORD aka The Last Day or that day. I urge you to study this link:
The Day of Christ - doctrine.org
The reason we are commanded to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB) of God is confuses terribly and mixes the gospels. See my many studies on this and how it even destroys witnessing and sharing the Gospel to the Lost. My study titled: Most do NOT know the GOSPEL.
Most do NOT know the GOSPEL #EndTimes (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
We also are NOT good workmen approved unto God. and We end up striving UNLAWFULLY: Read 2 Timothy 2:5 KJB.
You are unable to harmonize John which is part of the Kingdom Gospel with the Gospel of Grace. John is unique in using the expression “The Last Day.” Which means the “Day of the Lord” or “That Day”. This is directed to the JEWS who were in the Kingdom Gospel - still under the law who would be saved and spared from entering the Tribulation. The Day of the Lord is the beginning of the Tribulation.
You’re confusing DEAD in Christ being : caught up *Raptured * Harpazo Strongs #G726 used by Paul in the AGE OF GRACE - 1 Thessalonians 4:16 which will happen on the DAY OF CHRIST (1 Corinthians 1.8, 3.13, 5.5; 2 Corinthians 1.14; Philippians 1.6, 10, 2.16; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.8. I strongly urge you to humble yourself before the Lord and read Messianic Christology by Dr. Fruchtenbaum and especially Dr. Fruchtenbaum’s combined studies on Resurrection of the Body of Christ - The PreTribulation Rapture
The Day of Christ - PreTribulation Rapture
The Day of the Lord - The Tribulation - Daniel’s 70th Week - The Time of Jacob’s Trouble. THE TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE repeat Israel who was unrepentant and must go through the Tribulum. Read Jeremiah Chapter 3 and Isaiah chapter 63 of among many many other scriptures. Why can’t you see the CHURCH IS NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH?
Even if you can not bring yourself to understand this one could even argue this by Reuss: quote:
, I will raise it up at the last day. Reuss applies this to the resurrection of each believer on the "last day" of each life, for he seems unwilling to find in the Fourth Gospel any such idea as that of the general resurrection. But cf. John 5:29, and observe the repetition as in a wondrous refrain, vers. 40, 44, 54, in which he again speaks of the "last day" - the final consummation of his redemptive work. The next verse shows that the Lord did discriminate between eternal life already bestowed here and now, and the great consequence of such possession in the complete restoration of body as well as life. It is in the continuity and perpetuity of the eternal life that we find the condition of the resurrection life. The "when" of this "last day" is not positively asserted here. John 6:39
Part 6 In conclusion you write:
1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation and that is when the resurrection happens.
My response:
This is the most worn out retreaded argument of the Post Tribbers and is truly the most pathetic argument of all because of the complete lack of proper Bible hermeneutics and even minimal bible study.
We see 7 Trumpet Judgements in the Book of Revelation. Revelation chapters 8 through 11.
These have absolutely nothing with the voice of God given
Last Trump vs The 7th Trumpet
First the wording alone should be your first alert that they are different. But the context is the most obvious. Just the mere fact that Post Tribbers act like petulant children and are often found mocking - as 2 Peter 2 describes. Should be enough.
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT is the first rule of proper hermeneutics:
Look at the context of 1 Corinthians 15:52 and now compare it to Revelation Chapter 11.
Do we see a slight difference? In 1 Cornithians do we see Paul going through the series of horrific judgments that Revelation 8 through 11 are speaking of? No. Wouldn’t Paul mention at least something about the Judgment in the DAY OF THE LORD in reference to his use of the word LAST TRUMP.
Next: language difference: TRUMP - 7TH Trumpet
Here are a few very good links proving the difference
THE LAST TRUMP - RAPTURE BIBLE TRUTH
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