Dear Student in Search of the Godhead Part 2 of 3
Dear Student in search of the Godhead Part 2 of 3.
Background:
Part One
• 3 hours ago (edited) @vietrandy1 Thank you for your comprehensive answer. So if I understand Your doctrin correctly. And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1 He is defending us before himself. ? The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him... Revelation 1:1 Jesus Christ (God - Father) gave the Revelation to God - Father - to himself ? Before Jesus died on the cross he said: Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit… Luke 23:46 So Jesus (Father in the flesh) gave his spirit to himself in Heaven, because Father is SPIRIT. And His soul went in the heart of the Earth and after 3 days his soul went back to his body along with his spirit from Heaven and he rose from the death. So Father and Son died at the same time on the cross? Who went in the heart of the earth if Father was alive in Heaven? I cannot find the verse where it says that Father is SPIRIT and not Spirit ? Do I understand correctly ?
Dear Student in Search of the Godhead: Yes, you understand correctly for the most part. You are an outstanding student. It gives me great joy to see your interest and signs that perhaps you will walk out of the LAODICEAN CHURCH and your Trinity philosophy.
I will respond to each question. This is my final response. After which this thread will be closed. I will document your questions/comments, Blog and record for teaching material on how to respond to Trinitarians. Email me at vietrandy@gmail.com to continue this study.
You're most likely a Seminary Student or a graduate of one of those find apostate academies having honed your skills in hypostatic union and trinity stoicism - philosophy you adhere to as doctrine. Again, it is thrilling to see you actually asking questions.
One alarming sign, however, is you’re still not getting the basics in areas that I have clearly explained in the links. If you have read these parts, then I fear The Reason you cannot understand the GODHEAD and have to pervert it into man’s philosophy not heeding Paul’s warning in Colossians 2:8,9 is because the truth is NOT in you. Read John 8:42-27 KJB
But let’s pray this is not your case.
First. WHAT I WRITE IS NOT MY DOCTRINE. IT IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE. I URGE YOU TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINE:
Doctrine is: Learning The Teaching of the Word of God (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2023/09/what-is-doctrine-deep-study-we-must.html
WARNING: IF you continue in willful ignorance, you are marked and judged by God.
We are to Judge - Understanding Judgment in the Realm (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2023/09/what-is-doctrine-deep-study-we-must.html
Saints we are to MARK THEM (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2023/09/saints-we-are-to-mark-them.html
BEGIN here for your questions:
And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1
He is defending us before himself. ?
Answer: Yes. But it is clear you do not understand that there is NO conjunction *(even making it clearer than if it were the conjunction AND in the context of a copulative function of the Greek KAI) after the word Father but rather a comma which means that that advocate is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ who is defending us before himself. You will see this harmonizes perfectly with Isaiah 44:24 and several others in the study links which I'm sure you have not read.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him... Revelation 1:1
Jesus Christ (God - Father) gave the Revelation to God - Father - to himself ?
Answer: Yes. It is painfully clear you do not understand that G846 which is a reflexive pronoun self (3rd person - himself) here meaning to himself who is JESUS CHRIST. Note: If you want me to go over the reflexive nature of verbs and pronouns, please email at vietrandy@gmail.com. I will not continue an ongoing dialog here in the comment section.
Before Jesus died on the cross he said:
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit… Luke 23:46
So Jesus (Father in the flesh) gave his spirit to himself in Heaven, because Father is SPIRIT.
Answer: Yes. You are correct. Perfect summary you’ve made. Let me add that Luke 23:46 is the expression with other scripture proving death and what happens to the spirit upon death and specifically Luke 23:46 fulfilled the prophecy of Psalm 31:5 -
Psalms 31:5
“Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.”
King James Version (KJV)
Who is the Redeemer? Jesus Christ. Why did the Prophet Isaiah write:
Isaiah 44:24
“Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
King James Version (KJV)
Isaiah 44:6
“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
Although this is an entire study in itself all you’re “attempting” to prove here is yes, Jesus Christ died and was dead, giving up his spirit (was buried… *DEAD 1 Corinthians 15:4 KJB)
Acts 17:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And His soul went in the heart of the Earth and after 3 days his soul went back to his body along with his spirit from Heaven and he rose from the death.
Answer: You’re rambling here and there is NO scripture stating that Jesus Christ’s soul was in the heart of the earth. You’ve most likely picked this up from a distorted view of Psalm 16:10,11. Nevertheless Jesus was by the scriptures in SHEOL.
So Father and Son died at the same time on the cross?
Answer: No The Spirit is eternal and never dies.
Who went in the heart of the earth if Father was alive in Heaven?
Jesus Christ. The Father is SPIRIT and everywhere. Again this is explained in detail in the studies and again you ignorantly go over this again.
The Psalmist writes:
Psalms 139:7
“Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?”
King James Version (KJV)
Psalms 139:8
“If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.”
I cannot find the verse where it says that Father is SPIRIT and not Spirit ?Sc
Answer: Here little buddy, Let me help you: Scripture is clear that The Father is God and that God is Spirit and no man has seen. Colossians 1:15 -- In the detailed studies I know you haven’t read the word PERSON is never associated with spirit. A person is someone who is visible.
We also have in scripture:
Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
2 Corinthians 3:17: KJB
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
John 4:23,24 KJB:
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 Corinthians 8:5, 6 KJB
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
So To harmonize scripture with scripture, the only way Trinitarians can philosophize is to say there are 2 gods or persons and they are actually one God or one person. The insanity is overwhelming. Therefore we know that the Godhead and proper hermeneutics of 1 Corinthians 8: 5,6 is that there is only one God and that the Father (are all things = Jesus explained in Colossians 1:16 KJB Read it!) and that IS Jesus Christ. Note: the word ONE is not used with the Father. The word ONE is ONE GOD. ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST. The conjunction “and” after the semicolon is a copulative for of the greek word kai. DO YOUR RESEARCH. And this means ONE God The Father who is the ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST
Let’s say you have no desire to learn but rather a bothersome TRINITARIAN TROLL.
I will close this for you as follows:
A very special scripture for YOU dear Trinitarian that answers your barrage of Questions:
Acts 7:54-60 KJB
54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
STEPHEN DID NOT SEE 2 GODS WITH JESUS STANDING ON GOD THE FATHER’S HAND. HE ONLY SAW JESUS. THE EXPRESSION ON THE RIGHT HAND = METAPHOR = TO WHOM IS GIVEN ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY. STEPHEN CALLED OUT TO JESUS ASKING HIM TO RECEIVE HIS SPIRIT. HE DID NOT CALL OUT TO 2 gods or persons.
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS/COMMENTS IF YOU'RE SINCERELY SEEKING PLEASE EMAIL ME. IF YOU CONTINUE POSTING HERE I WILL BLOCK YOU. YOUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR TRAINING PURPOSES STANDING AS AN ETERMAL MEMORIAL BEFORE THE LORD.
Jesus - God saved my life August 2017 and i am a born again believer. I'm learning Bible myself with a help of the Holy Spirit and i'm trying to prove all things as we are instructed in 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
Joshua (the name of the man that saw Jesus face to face before the battle of Jericho, the Captain of the guard and whose name means Jesus coming from Yeshua - Yahweh Jehovah Yehweh is SALVATION. Read Exodus 3 and Deuteronomy 6:4 KJB.Is this a coincidence or a God incident. I'd go with the latter.
Anyway, I am shocked. Outstanding. I honestly thought you were some smug seminary student trying to debunk the actual biblical Godhead and try to turn it into the Trinity. I've dealt with this hundreds of times before.
How amazing. You've only been saved since 2017 and it seems English may not be your
first language and yet you write with extensive knowledge gained. The prime issue is you've obviously picked up the pagan philosophy of the Trinity and NOT the Biblical God head. You're still needing to learn how to harmonize scripture with scripture and understand that solid bible hermeneutics requires knowledge of CONTEXT, EXEGESIS (grammar, syntax, vocabulary etc) and SCRIPTURE with SCRIPTURE = harmonize for example if you take every scripture in context of God that says on or in or at the RIGHT HAND, example Stephen in Acts 7 and compare to what John saw in the 3rd heaven in Revelation Chapter 3, we know there is only ONE Throne and not TWO. (Isn't it also amazing that Trinitarians can not find the DOVE 3rd god or person holy spirit's throne???)
((( One alarming sign, however, is you’re still not getting the basics in areas that I have clearly explained in the links. If you have read these parts, then I fear The Reason you cannot understand the GODHEAD and have to pervert it into man’s philosophy not heeding Paul’s warning in Colossians 2:8,9 is because the truth is NOT in you. Read John 8:42-27 KJB)))
Im asking questions because i want to understand and prove all things as we are instructed.Okay, wonderful but it seems from my perspective that you're in the camp of ever learning and never coming to knowledge because all the facts based on solid doctrine are before your very eyes. It's as if you are having an impossible task putting it together to know there is ONLY 1 GOD, and that PERSON IN THE BODY IS JESUS CHRIST and he has a body soul and spirit just like you when he created you. I am not going to keep repeating this over and over.
((( Answer: You’re rambling here and there is NO scripture stating that Jesus Christ’s soul was in the heart of the earth. You’ve most likely picked this up from a distorted view of Psalm 16:10,11. Nevertheless Jesus was by the scriptures in SHEOL.)))
Ok so his spirit went to the Father in Heaven. His body was laying in the tomb. His soul went in SHEOL? If this is not true then what went in SHEOL, if it was not his soul ?
If it was his soul, was this soul the Son or the Father ?
We know from scripture that the SOUL and SPIRIT are never disconnected. Your spirit without your soul would be an anonymous spirit an unnamed spirit and this is impossible because we see that God (Jesus Christ) knew you before he formed you (your actual body) in your mother's belly. Jeremiah 1:5 KJV: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
without going into a deep dive on this, my sister was clinically dead for some minutes. She knew exactly what was going on as she saw herself leave her physical body and hover over the surgeons working on her. She still had her mind (soul) her emotions (soul) desire (soul) and will (soul) to get right with Jesus because she knew she was going to hell and began repenting and crying out to JESUS CHRIST. But it was her spirit that she was moving out of the physical realm into the spiritual. My sister's doctor freaked out when she told him his words when she was completely unconscious, and her heart had stopped. Seriously.
Perhaps if you study what I sent you regarding Stephen and other scriptures proving that the expression "spirit went to the Father = spirit went to the Lord Jesus read Acts 7:59 "And when they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." You see that this is both an expression of DEATH and that this individual is going to heaven and NOT hell. Just like my sister for an EXAMPLE was moving around the operating room and then left the room and started to decline into a pit before she started begging the Lord to give her one more chance which she got thank God. We know that Jesus Christ of course is God and entered SHEOL with his spirit and soul as one as I explained. The Son and the Father are one and the same. You Joshua have a body and your SPIRIT and SOUL are connected to you. you are created in the IMAGE (BODY hands, feet, face of JESUS CHRIST) after His Likeness (essence of 3 parts = body, soul, spirit 1 Thessalonians 5:23) Genesis 1:26,27, 2:7, 5:2 KJB. This has been repeated over and over and over again. I'm not going to discuss this again Joshua. I've been more than patient with you. I honestly am concerned you've fallen into the trap of ever learning and yet never coming to the truth. I pray this is not you, but it is certainly looking like it is. I am honestly praying for you in love.
2 Timothy 3:7
“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
King James Version (KJV)
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