Preface
1 Timothy 4:1
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
King James Version (KJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
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Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
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For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Acts 17:29
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Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
I tell you the Truth in Love Repent Trinitarian - My Response to Comments (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Saints we are to MARK THEM (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
We are to Judge - Understanding Judgment in the Realm (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Doctrine is: Learning The Teaching of the Word of God (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Background:
Sam Shamoun
Sam Shamoun is a native of Kuwait. He moved to the United States with his family at an early age. His religious background is based on teachings of the "Church of the East" or the "Nestorian Church," commonly practiced in most Assyrian homes.
As an adolescent, Shamoun's faith often came under fire. His Christian beliefs were frequently challenged by those who maintained Islam as the "one true religion." From these unsettling encounters, he began to dig deeply into the basics of the Christian faith he confessed but wanted to know more about. After a thorough and critical examination of the Scriptures, his ability to share the Gospel and his capacity to answer skeptics' questions -- specifically Muslim objections -- increased dramatically.
Today, Shamoun is a frequent contributor to a prominent Web site dedicated to challenging the teachings of Islam. Additionally, he engages in debates as an informed apologist refuting accusations and attacks leveled by proponents of Islam against Christianity.
Sam the Sham the YouTube Trinitarian with over 200 K followers who has from my research loves to go after Muslims primarily as well as Jews and Christians, especially who are not TRINITARIAN (He calls MODALISTS which I promise you he does not know the true meaning of a modalist. See in my Trinity is Pagan Polytheism study.
He thinks those who believe the King James Bible Godhead believe One God in 3 modes. He also calls us ONEness trying to say we don't believe the Father or Spirit exist but only Jesus. As I was posting this I see he's now sporting sun glasses like Paul Begley and going after MODALISTS. Perhaps he read my comment calling him out and asking him to debate me.
LOOK AT THE COMMENTS on the YouTube Video I expose:
seanrath826811 months ago
That's real church when people come together in Jesus name The prayers are powerful in Jesus name I love your videos and teachings in Jesus name
fayenzagarland3997
Wow I love this teaching for this is so encouraging and uplifting. Thank you holy spirit
lazarousmuzandu2568
You should teach a certain Muslim scholar called Naiki something. He is so loud and arrogant and thinks he knows our Christian God.
joeldcunha7938
Thank you so much for helping us Understand the power of Holy Spirit.
yaddayadda
Such an amazing teacher!!! Thank you LORD for giving sam this gift!
I honestly believe he is a closet Jesuit catholic apologist but stays in the closet to draw in the Protestant and feeble minded searching who do not read their bibles. This man is a WICKED WOLF PEOPLE.
I've seen this with that Walid Shabat a former Muslim who became a closet Jesuit Catholic apologist.
and racist back in 2017.
I have had at least 2 YouTube Comments asking me to either debunk his teaching and or DEBATE him. One was a rabid SYCOPHANT calling me a coward and daring me to DEBATE his great Champion of the Faith Sam the SHAM as I will now call him.
I sent him a request to Debate me and my comment was deleted. IF ANYONE has contact with this false teacher please give him the terms of my Debate offer detailed below:
In this study I'm going to call out his false teaching on the Tractarian view of the Holy Spirit here in the link below.
Sam the Sham also has a hilarious video trying to prove why the god - person Holy Spirit does not have a throne. I'm shocked he'd actually try to tackle this and am research it. But for the purpose of this study I will focus on His Study below.
He is not stupid but with seducing spirits of witchcraft (yes I am calling him out) CRAFT knows that even Tertullian and all the early so called church fathers (apostate WOLVES) struggled mightily with the 3rd PERSON of the Holy Spirit.
I've seen the same with exposing Amir Tsarfati - not with his
Trinity teaching which he is, but his other craft in leading Evangelicals into the Pit of the Judaizers.
1 Timothy 4:1
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
King James Version (KJV)
As in my detailed studies in links below, Tertullian even admitted it and stayed away from the Holy Spirit and preferred to focus on the FATHER and THE SON which is easier to use their stoic philosophy.
Sham in English Oxford English Dictionary pages 2766 and 2767
Sham comes from Shamanism which is the primitive religion of the Ural - Altaic peoples of Siberia. Shamans were spiritual leaders who believed they can influence good and evil spirits with people. The word shamble means to cut, hack to shred into pieces. To shamble also means to stumble and not walk right.
The word sham means: A Trick or a Hoax, Fraud, Imposter, something used to impose upon others.
NICOLAITAN
Jesus and I Hate the Deeds of the Nicolaitans (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Doctrine:
Doctrine is: Learning The Teaching of the Word of God (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Trinitarians MOCK Jesus calling him the 2nd person . Got a comment from a subscriber about PETER RUCKMAN - the racist who believed abortion wasn't murder - who said, Jesus Christ is the 2nd person in the middle that's who saved him. Ruckman knew there were NOT 3 gods BUT nonetheless couldn't get away from PERSONS. PLURAL. Why he like all false teachers feared being thrown out of the CREEDS and DOCTRINES of MAN in their RELIGION.
See Ruckman Trinity Doctrine of 3 persons:
The Doctrine of The Trinity by Peter Ruckman | PDF | Trinity | God The Father (scribd.com)
Another insane quote from Ruckman: "Not once in the Bible is the Holy Spirit called “Jesus.” The Holy Spirit is called the Holy Ghost, the Comforter , the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Truth . The Lord Jesus Christ is called the Messiah , Immanuel , Christ , the Lord , the Lord Christ, Jesus Christ, Jesus , and the Son of man. Not once is Jesus Christ ever referred to as the Father. That is not all. The Father is referred to in the Bible as Jehovah , Jah , Lord , Lord God, and God , but never Jesus. Therefore, we see the correct Scriptural position is right between two heresies. The first of these is the oneness, onlyness, “Jesus only,” Acts 2:38 heresy, which has no real salvation in it. And the second is the heresy of the Russellites (whom we call “no-hellers,” down south) that teaches three separate gods when, of course, there are not." -Dr. Ruckman
Read
The Holy Godhead from an Anonymous Subscriber (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
PERSON Jesus Christ is the only One Person of the Godhead
Who is Jesus Christ? Godhead versus Trinity by Cameron Moshfegh (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
https://youtu.be/NqTb1Vo9pUU
The Trinity is driving people to Islam (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
This is quite revealing. Another Muslim who gets it right:
Sam Shamoun: A Hero to Muslims
Sam Shamoun: A Hero to Muslims – Blogging Theology
quote:
My job as a Muslim apologist has never been easier. Muslim to Christian converts who once dreamt of bringing their families to Christ, now house an internal dread of being branded a turncoat or a useful idiot to Muslims for being nice to us. Muslim to Christian converts who grew up in Muslim families are now forced to be silent when false generalizations of all Muslims being blood thirsty murderers are shared and endorsed by folks like Sam Shamoun, David Wood and Usama Dakdok. These Christian apologists are not only alienating Muslim to Christian converts, they are inadvertently, providing for them a way back to Islam. The sheer association of having Muslim heritage is enough to brand you a taqiyyist (deceiver), an apostate or a person compromised in the gospel of Christ for merely holding to the view that not all Muslims are bad people. The idea that Muslims, like Christians, and every other ideological group on the face of the earth is anything but homogenous and monolithic is appalling to folks like Sam, Wood, Dakdok and Howse, and it is a blessing for Islam.
Rather than having to do counter-missionary work and teach Muslims how to counter basic arguments used against Islam, God has provided us some reprieve by making Christians fear and hate us. Rather than witnessing to us, we are being left alone…for the glory of Christ (as Sam would say)! My job has never been easier and without the support of Sam Shamoun and his crusade against Christians who are friendly with Muslims, he’s effectively become a hero to Muslims.
True story:
Why I as a Christian say a Muslim Scholar won the Trinity vs Tawhid Debate. Dr. David Woods Debate with Muslim Scholar Mohammed Hijab (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
How Christians should Answer when Muslims use Mark 13:32 (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
See the SHOCK and AWE of Hebrews
My detailed studies in Response to Trinitarian Fools
Answering the Question: Who is speaking to whom in these verses? Hebrews 1:8 (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
We like Abraham get to know Melchizedek our Kinsman Redeemer
Melchizedek, My Kinsman Redeemer (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Revealing more of The Lamb Who Was Slain #Discipleship #Jesus Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
See the several other manifestations of Jesus Christ on earth as a man appearing to mankind before he came through the Virgin Birth.
IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST CREATED ALL THINGS AND NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING EXISTED IN HEAVEN OR EARTH OR BENEATH THE EARTH THAT HE DID NOT CREATE, Colossians 1:16 KJB, THEN DID HE NOT FASHION HIMSELF IN THE WOMB OF MARY?
To do the Will of His Father (Spirit functioning as the SOUL - Will (I came not to do my WILL but the Will of Him who sent me, and "For it is God which worketh in you both to WILL and to do his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13 KJB.
Let this MIND be in you which was also IN Christ Jesus, Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5-8 KJB
likeness of men = blood and water within his body. Read 1 John 5:6-8 KJB.
The very fact this SHAM titles his video what IS the Holy Spirit tells you he does not know Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is NOT a WHAT but a WHO and that is the Spirit of Christ, aka The Spirit of Truth, Romans 8:9,26,27,34, John 16:13, aka Jesus Christ. Why would Jesus say these words in Luke 12:10? - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. Stephen summed them up also: Acts 7:51 - Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. A good Islamic Scholar can decimate this SHAM character and his TRINITY with a King James Bible the same way they did with the Philosopher Dr. David Wood here in this study. Most of my studies debunking the PAGAN TRINITY are in this Blog title: Why I as a Christian say a Muslim scholar using a Bible defeated Dr. David Wood Tawhid vs Trinity
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2018/11/why-i-as-christian-say-muslim-scholar.html
I would love to debate this moron (willfully ignorant and blind fool) but they never do. Here is the study. If you can get him to debate me I would love to.
in his Video on The Holy Spirit in the Trinity:
https://youtu.be/NYB3sugk97s?si=ovNBJNtqkc6MEyH6
Understanding The Holy Spirit: What Is The Holy Spirit In The Trinity
The very fact this SHAM titles his video what IS the Holy Spirit tells you he does not know Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit is NOT a WHAT but a WHO and that is the Spirit of Christ, aka The Spirit of Truth, Romans 8:9,26,27,34, John 16:13, aka Jesus Christ.
Why would Jesus say these words in Luke 12:10? - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Stephen summed them up also:
Acts 7:51 - Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
A good Islamic Scholar can decimate this SHAM character and his TRINITY with a King James Bible the same way they did with the Philosopher Dr. David Wood here in this study. Most of my studies debunking the PAGAN TRINITY are in this Blog title: Why I as a Christian say a Muslim scholar using a Bible defeated Dr. David Wood Tawhid vs Trinity
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2018/11/why-i-as-christian-say-muslim-scholar.html
MAJOR FLAWS IN DOCTRINE:
note: I will only highlight the major non doctrinal parts of his teaching.
Timestamp:
:07 heavenly father just thank you so
much for this time together we thank you lord so much for the privilege to be able to gather together to worship you to study your word lord and to uh to learn more about your lord because uh we to study your word lord and to uh to learn more about your lord because uh we want to know you better so because as we know you better lord we'll uh will know how to please you better ... in love with your word lord and that they will know that this is the only word of god that uh that gives us eternal life and lord that jesus is the begotten son through whom we can have eternal life and we thank you in jesus
Mockery:
Before I address his Trinity heresey, let's get to the basics of
DOCTRINE. He believes 'any' English Translation works as doctrine. He states at times 28:40 to :53 that any translation gives a faithful reproduction of god's word and God has perserved these manuscripts (including he continues to defend the corrupted vaticanus sinaticus) Then he shifts gears and believes the King James has withstood the test of time for 300 years? Someone needs to tell him it's been over 500 years. That he likes the King James but uses the NEW King James because he can't handle the Elizbethean language.
See my extensive study DOCTRINE MATTERS and the King James NOT any other translation is the FINAL AUTHORITY of God's word. This includes the perverted dangerous nature of the NEW KING JAMES BIBLE. See studies.
.. as far as bible translation is concerned for the most part any english translation that's done by a committee of trinitarian scholars will give you a faithful reproduction of god's word in english have been preserved by god we have nearly we have nearly over 25 000 close to 30 000
t's that either two to seven percent difference so with that said with all that
necessary qualification sorry sorry sir but nothing of nothing uh changes the core doctrines of the faith though well
necessary qualification sorry sorry sir but nothing of nothing uh changes the core doctrines of the faith though well it's a fact that's this is just the fact the state it's a factual statement i'm not saying it's not a statement of faith it's a statement of fact that that's why when you pick up niv the only difference is it's modern english meaning that it's not elizabethan english don't but you're going to get the same message and pretty much over 90 percent of time they're
How can a Trinitarian say they know the Lord Better? Who are they praying to? The Father? Jesus? Both? Why doesn't the Sham man address the HolySpirit? They never can deal with this can they.
Here is proof Sam the Sham does not know who is is talking to other than one god of which god is 3 distinct persons. He says your word Lord (I assume he is saying the Lord is God) then as we proceed, we see him saying: and Lord we know that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Note: As in most false teachers they do get parts correct. Yes, Jesus Christ is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God and to talk directly to the Father we see here that Sam has painted this picture down below of the Vaticanpicture of theTrinity. (Still trying to figure out where the Holy Spirit PERSON god is as the DOVE or?)
we're gonna be uh studying the holy spirit last last week we talked about uh you can see his divinity obviously all over the new testament but what many people didn't know and may not know is that uh jesus was in the old testament too and we saw and we only scratch the surface on some of the passages that demonstrate the divinity of jesus in the old testament but today sam we're going to be studying the holy spirit the third what can you tell us about the holy spirit that we should know of course good yes i just was so everyone is able to see us so we're okay so you can see in agreement with my brother but ask the
completely and fully and the holy spirit save us from our own flesh our own sinfulness and crucify the fruits of our flesh and destroy our flesh and give us perfect hatred of our flesh and of satan and the world and empower us to perfectly submit to the lord jesus christ and i ask the holy spirit to feed us the flesh of the lord jesus christ and grant us the blood of the lord jesus christ he's eternal love the father has already became flesh for for our redemption for our nourishment and protection against satan holy spirit have your way take over this session guide my mouth to speak clearly without error for your glory the glory of the lord jesus and the father interpreting scriptures correctly and give us the power to live up the scriptures for the praise of jesus not for the praise of as the brother said you said the holy spirit is the third person of the holy why do we say the holy spirit is the of the godhead well if you read the scriptures in their totality if you read the bible from genesis to revelation and you gather every single verse that teaches regarding who god is what he's and every single verse on the father and the son and the holy spirit the only conclusion you can come to honestly if you're honest with scripture and honest to god and let god be who he is and not make him out to be something he's not and put him in your box let god be god you will come to the conclusion that the completely god whatever makes god god the son jesus our lord is truly god possesses every essential attribute of god but with one added element he also he was born from the blessed virgin by the power of holy spirit so this is why when we speak of the lord jesus christ we refer to him as the god man he's truly god truly human one eternal person that became man and he forever forever exists as the god man that's if you're going to be honest with scripture and let god be god and let the bible tell you who god is because the bible's god's perfect revelation that's the only conclusion you can come to but then the holy spirit is also identified as completely god whatever makes god god and he's not simply the father's power the father's force like some cult speech he's not the father he's not the son he has characteristics of what we call personhood now i'm using a lot of terms i have to explain some of the terms the father is not the son the son is not the spirit the spirit is not the father that's why they're in love with one another they have fellowship with one another they adore one another they're always working in perfect union they're in perfect inseparable agreement so you have the father sending the son of the spirit the son sending the spirit the son obeying the father the spirit obeying the father and the son because they're not the same person but they're not three separate gods so when you take all the data you come to the conclusion that the one god is triune the word trinity tree you know where means three and one so what i'm going to focus on is to show the holy spirit is a person now when i he has awareness the spirit is aware that he's the spirit and he's aware the father is the father the son is the son and he's not the father and the son and they're in love with one another so
Do you know that when we PRAY OUR FATHER WHO ART IN
HEAVEN .... THY KINGDOM COME...
This is Jesus Christ who is God almighty the ancient of days who will rule with a Rod of Iron.
At the timestamps above Sam The SHAM is praying the
HOLY SPIRIT identifying Him as a PERSON as a God and even the apostate scholars who are Trinitarian teach their flock this IS NOT doctrine. Why did Stephen Pray to Jesus Christ? Acts 7:And he did not see Jesus standing on top of the Father's hand. See my studies.
The Bible commands believers to pray to God. He is the One who answers our prayers.
Things get really bizzare from time 2:00 through 3:48-:57 as Sam the Sham starts making up scripture asking the Holy Spirit to give us hatred of our flesh, etc. By telling us that The Father is God and he made Jesus (who always existed as admitted in the beginning) to be in the FLESH fully HUMAN and fully God. It is a painful PHILOSOPHY of MAN'S VAIN IMAGINATION.
The King James Bible Does not say such things. Jesus was man but never human. Read the studies.
Question? Why does Paul warn Christians not to be spoiled by the Philosophy of man when referring to the GODHEAD?
Read Colossians 2:8,9 KJB.
Other major breakdowns:
At time 16:00 when Sam the SHAM goes into 1 Corinthians 12:11, the young man uses a perverted bible that does not go even close to the KING JAMES BIBLE. Sam the SHAM does not correct him to say this scripture is the manifestations of the Holy Spirit working in our lives, but rambles on in error that the Holy Spirit WILLs. etc This is NOT in scripture. Also note: HE (notice that the Holy Spirit HE. STOP here! Study my study on the who not what is the Holy Spirit = The Spirit of Truth, The Spirit of Christ. HE = Jesus Christ = the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
I would love to debate this moron - willfully ignorant FOOL, but they never do. Here is the study.
If you can get him to debate me I would love to.
Why would Jesus say these words in Luke 12:10? - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Stephen summed them up also:
Acts 7:51 - Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
How can any sane and prudent person believe that God is 3 separate gods or 3 separate Persons AND exist as 1 God?
How does Sam the SHAM harmonize Jesus saying He came to do the WILL of the Father with what he's blabbering?
me spirit who apportions to each one
individually as he will now notice as he the holy spirit wills meaning for the holy spirit to have a will he has to have intellect and he must have discernment because he's the one
Again at time 18:20 Sam The Sham keeps telling us this god PERSON he claims is god but not another god convicts of sin, He is used in scripture. Let's see what Sam the SHAM is talking about:
John 16:8
“And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:”
King James Version (KJV)
We know without doubt that the SPIRIT OF TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST We know that Jesus Christ is literally the SPIRIT OF Christ who abides in us and we in Him.
IF YOU CAN NOT SEE THIS PLEASE EMAIL ME.
that's what paul is saying so that's why our lord even said in john 16 7 11 that the holy spirit would be sent to convict righteousness and judgment sin because the world does not believe in jesus righteousness because jesus is now vindicated because god raised jesus immortal and exalted him to sin and throne at the right hand of god proving jesus was not a criminal or false The Holy Spirit did not rise. At the Right Hand DOES NOT MEAN There are 2 gods sitting next to each other this is a metaphor explained in detail in my studies.
From time 19:58 to the end Sam the SHAM doubles down on the Holy Spirit being a completely separate PERSON than the FATHER who is a PERSON and Jesus who is another PERSON. READ THE DETAILED STUDY OF BROTHER CAMERON MOSHFEGH AND JON LUTZ as well as my own that there IS ONLY ONE PERSON OF THE GODHEAD.
All Trinitarians SAM THE SHAM Included call the Biblical Godhead MODALISTS or Oneness.
Read My studies on Modalism which does NOT mean modes and which the Godhead IS NOT. Also the Godhead is NOT ONESNESS because the Father and The Spirit of Christ aka The Holy Spirit are 3 distinct PARTS JUST AS WE ARE 3 PARTS BODY SOUL SPIRIT 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Genesis 1:26,27, 2:7, 5:2 KJB
This is JESUS CHRIST'S SPIRIT IN US AND WE ARE IN HIM. READ Ephesians 2:6, Romans 8:9, John 16:13 etc. etc.
Check John 14:26 Holy Ghost = G40 Most Holy Thing (thing is not a person. Compare with John 16:13 HE The Spirit of TRUTH.
Short study:
from anonymous subscriber to one of my studies on You'tube:
Jesus Christ
made in the likeness of man, but not in human flesh
Philippians 2:7+8
Key words:
Luke1:35
"...that holy thing"
Leviticus 22:10
"...the holy thing"
"...shall no stranger eat"
Leviticus 22:11
"...they shall eat of his meat"
1Corinthians 11:24-28
context: Communion
Partaking of it worthily ( not as a stranger?)
the holy thing=meat
( Lev.22:10+11)
John 6:28-63
context: the bread of life and Salvation
John 6:51+53
Jesus flesh is the living bread from heaven
Manna in John 6:31 is a type of this Bread from heaven
This bread is the living Word made flesh come down from heaven ( as through the womb of Mary : " that holy thing" )
And whosoever reads and hears it is blessed ( Revelation 1:3 )
Genesis 18:2 and 19:1+5
clearly show that these 3 people appeared as men:
One was Jesus Christ Himself and his 2 companions were angels(Gen.19:1)
The sodomites saw these 2 angels as men ( Gen. 19:5 )
Why doesn't Sam the SHAM explain verse 15?
All things that the Father hath are mine. —He has told them that the Spirit’s work is to glorify Him, to receive of His, and announce to the world. The ground of this saying is in the fact that the Son is the Revealer of the Father, and that the fulness of the truth (John 16:13) is given unto Him.
Bible study homework: Hamonize and explain John 17 Jesus' prayer to The Father (Spirit functioning as the WILL of Jesus Christ) verses 14 your word (Jesus is The Word), thy truth verse 17 (Jesus is the TRUTH), You are IN ME, I am IN YOU THEY ARE IN US. Verses 21-23. AND NO WONDER, NO WONDER TRINITARIANS NEVER WANT TO GO INTO JOHN 17 or at least the CRAFTY ONES DO NO.
i still have many things to say to you but you cannot bear them now when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all the truth for he will not speak on his own authority but whatever he hears he will speak and he will declare to you the things that are to come the holy spirit must be a person to hear from someone else and to then instruct you and guide you and teach you and speak to you notice what it says he will not speak on his own initiative so he will only speak what he hears number two he hears meaning he's aware he has self-awareness so he knows the to make known their commands to the church so not only does he hear and then he will make known the fullness of the truth of god that's his role perfecting the church so that shows again he must be a person only a person hears only a person speaks only a person can discern what he's hearing and what to share so right there from our lord right but now again read 14-15 since you're in the same chapter john 16 14-15 he will glorify me for he will take what is mine and declare it to you all that the father has is mine therefore i said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you so notice why the holy spirit is sent to glorify jesus by convincing you that jesus is the father's uniquely beloved that owns everything the father who does that the holy spirit who convinces you of this fact the holy spirit who leads you to accept this fact the holy spirit that's what the lord jesus just said right so now do you want to say something before i'm so much so much for a and heresy called uh modalism right exactly for thinking that god somehow is one person and you know different different moments because that would mean here yeah if the holy spirit is simply the father different mode so that means the father is speaking to himself in a different mode and in that mode he's hearing from himself and then he's going to glorify himself in a different mode that makes no sense makes i mean if you put it out you see how silly it is no but brother god is incomprehensible i know he's incomprehensible but god tells me what his incomprehensibility can consist of and it's not one person playing three different modes so that he's actually talking to himself in three different ways and also jesus he's saying i am so he's leaving yes so god in in jesus is leaving yes and he's sending some someone else so obviously there's a different person yeah we believe they tried to explain saying he's coming in a different mode he left in one mode coming in a different role but no that's not his teaching because jesus says while he was there the spirit was spirit and him working together and he says the reason why i must go is because as long as i'm here he'll be working with me but when i go he'll now be working in and through you right right now he's working with me in and through me together son and the spirit along with the father to convict you but when i leave he'll now be doing what he was doing in and through me working in and through you that's john 14 16 to 17 but other passages of the spirit is person we're going to focus more on his deity but the area that's most attacked when you're dealing with cults they don't have a problem with the holy spirit being eternal because they think it's god's eternal power right his active that influences creation so they wouldn't have a problem with the spirit being uncreated they just don't believe so that's why i'm focusing on his
Who is talking here to Whom Ps110?
Jesus tells us when he tells the Pharisees
Psalm 110:1-5 KJV - The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Matthew 22:41-46 KJV - While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Again we see that John, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel only saw ONE GOD, ONE THRONE in Heaven JUST as Stephen did NOT see Jesus standing on TOP of The Father's hand. at/on right THE RIGHT HAND = Jesus Christ is GOD with ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY.
Psalm 2:7 KJV - 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Daniel 7:13, Hebrews 1:3, Matthew 16:27, Revelation 1:7 HARMONIZING See below.
See the several other manifestations of Jesus Christ on earth as a man appearing to mankind before he came through the Virgin Birth.
IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST CREATED ALL THINGS AND NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING EXISTED IN HEAVEN OR EARTH OR BENEATH THE EARTH THAT HE DID NOT CREATE, Colossians 1:16 KJB, THEN DID HE NOT FASHION HIMSELF IN THE WOMB OF MARY?
To do the Will of His Father (Spirit functioning as the SOUL - Will (I came not to do my WILL but the Will of Him who sent me, and "For it is God which worketh in you both to WILL and to do his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13 KJB.
Let this MIND be in you which was also IN Christ Jesus, Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5-8 KJB
likeness of men = blood and water within his body. Read 1 John 5:6-8 KJB.
Who is Jesus Christ? Godhead versus Trinity by Cameron Moshfegh (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Debate Rules.
Looking forward to the Debate. Please email me IF and only IF you agree to these basic rules. Otherwise, I will can your useless trash into the bin with the thousands of other REPROBATES.
Debate Rules:
LOCATION: Online via Skype or Zoom or perhaps a YouTube Streaming that would be hosted by a 3rd party that will agree to remain neutral regarding the protocol of the proceedings and be knowledgeable in use of the technology to host an online debate.
TIME: Whenever both parties along with the hosting 3rd party find an agreeable time.
Ground Rules: Ground Rules for the Debate:
The Motion/Topic:
The motion/topic would be: The Trinity is the Godhead of the Bible The Proponent / Advocate for the Trinity - would begin by defending the Trinity with a 15 minute time limit to present his opening argument to defend the Trinity is the biblical Godhead. The Opponent / Critic of the Trinity - Andrew Sheets of the 3rd Heaven Traveler would have 15 minutes to present his argument that the Godhead is Biblical - The Trinity is not the Godhead but rather pagan polytheism.
After the Opponent of the Trinity - Andrew Sheets has spoken, the second round will commence which will be the REBUTTAL PHASE of this Debate.
REBUTTAL PHASE:
The Proponent, will have 15 minutes to refute the Opponent, Mr Sheets’ argument. After the proponent finishes his 15 minute Rebuttal, the Opponent, Mr. Sheets will have 15 minutes to refute the Proponents argument. After the Opponent of the Trinity - Andrew Sheets has spoken, the third and final round will commence which will be the SUMMARY/CONCLUSION PHASE of this Debate. SUMMARY/CONCLUSION PHASE The Proponent, will have 15 minutes to summarize his argument and conclude with final remarks. After the proponent finishes his 15 minute summary and conclusion, the Opponent, Mr. Sheets will have 15 minutes to summarize his argument and conclude with final remarks.
Absolute Rules: The order of the speakers must not be changed, switched during the debate. At no time will any speaker interrupt the other speaker. All arguments providing Evidence must be supported by SCRIPTURE based on the Bible The King James ONLY. Otherwise scripture evidence is meaningless due to significant differences between perverted modern translations and the King James Bible. Each speaker must stop speaking after they have reached their max time and may not continue speaking. During the Rebuttal, the speaker may not bring up new arguments but strictly address the points made by the opposing side’s argument.
Note: IF The Proponent of the Trinity would like to change the debate order, I would be willing to do so. In other words - Mr. Sheets would begin the debate as the Proponent of the Godhead is NOT the Trinity and the defender of the Pagan Trinity would be the second speaker - and final speaker as the Opponent. My email is vietrandy@gmail.com
Looking forward to hearing from you IF and ONLY IF you agree to the rules above.
Otherwise go away.
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