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AntiChrist Rising; Let’s Talk About Trump through the Lens of the King James Bible #AntiChrist #EndTime
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Hello Andrew.
Thankyou for exposing trump and it seems like GOD is revealing to many he is the antichrist.
https://youtu.be/F202oEEGJk4?si=c6V4sq7DOWl1FSTt
Let's talk about Trump #antichrist #endtimes In this video and on your blog related to the video, you were saying that in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that the falling away means the rapture andI think the Scripture is Not really telling us there what you made it out to say.
Please let me explain and i am not trying to attack you or make you angry but just trying to get the Truth accross to correct somebody's error in interpreting Scripture
How can that be that the falling away means flying away or caught up or gathering together to meet Jesus?
I know there are numerous Bible teachers saying that falling away means rapture but it doesn't make sense and they are wrong...
How can falling away mean flying away or caught up into the clouds?
Did Jesus make a mistake by using the word falling away instead of using caught up or Gathering together or even
flying away?
If there is a mistake in the kjv Bible, then how can we believe anything else the kjv Bible says ?
Example:
Going to a family gathering is not falling away.
2 Thessalonians 2: 1 gathering together unto Christ is different wording then in verse 3 falling away.How come when Scripture says caught up and gathering together to meet Christ, how come the term falling away isn't used in those verses or vise versa for falling away?
If in 2 thess 2: 3 it means the rapture, why isn't caught up used then or gathering together?
What wrong with caught up and gathering together to be used for the rapture if verse 3 the falling away really means rapture?
The event of the Rapture is something that is explained by simple easy to understand words like gathering together unto Him ( Christ ) and caught up and why would 2 words "falling away" that sounds like a different thing be used for Rapture???
That would be like trying to cause confusion.
Scripture says the devil is the author of confusion and Not God.
Why would GOD put a wording that common sense reads + means differently from caught up if He meant caught up in 2 thess 2 verse 3 ?
Again It doesn't even make sense.
here below lets look very closely at what the Scriptures Really say...2 Thessalonians 2:1 - 11 KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
notice in verse 1 and 2 the gathering together unto Jesus and the day of Christ are the Same event: THE RAPTURE OR TO FLY AWAY OR CAUGHT UP TO MEET JESUS.... that's NOT a mistake in Scripture...Why isn't that event called falling away then in verse 1 and 2 ?
The term FALLING AWAY and FLYING AWAY or CAUGHT UP are 2 different things...
Its 2 Different things and not the same meaning.
Things that are different are not the same.
The Rapture is a flying away from earth event...
"Flying away" is a verb that means to leave a place by moving through the air, like a bird, insect, or Speed off, Flee, Escape from.
this is totally different from falling away from the Faith and GOD to live in rebellion, etc.Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall FALL AWAY, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
here the context is about people who were once enlightened by GOD then turn away to sin again or fall away or fallen away or falling away,etc.Its doesn't say caught up to meet Jesus in a gathering together unto Jesus if falling away means a rapture in 2 thess 2:3...
The words fall and falling are right along the same meaning of each other and don't mean going up in the rapture.
The the kjv Bible already has words for the Rapture that are simple common sense to understand as "Caught up" and "Gathering together "
More examples of falling:Proverbs 25:26
A righteous man FALLING down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.
Psalms 116:8
For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from FALLING.
Jude 1:6
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
here it doesn't say fallen but the certain angels did fall from a higher position and into sin, rebellion.Or it would make sense to say they fell away from Obedience to GOD or they are fallen or there was a falling away on their part.
Definition of falling in the dictionary
adjective
moving from a higher to a lower level, typically rapidly and without control.
Example"she was injured by a falling tree"
The angels that rebelled Did move from a higher level going downward spiritually and physically...
There was a falling away on their part..
They didn't get Raptured up to be with Christ but Rebelled Against Christ...
What does it mean to fall away from God?The word apostasy means a falling away from a position that has already been reached. When a person becomes apostate, he has rejected the faith that he once professed; he has fallen away from the faith.
has there not been many falling away ( departing from the Faith ) from the Faith over the years along with proclaiming Christians following trump as they reject the Scriptures that warn about trump ??Yes there has been this situation.
The word Depart or Departure have a similar meaning as Falling away..
Read 1 Timothy 4:1
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall DEPART from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
In the Bible, departure and falling away have the following meanings:
Departure: The removal of the Holy Spirit's presence through the church.
Falling away: The rejection of one's faith, or a conscious denial of Christ
Not the Rapture.In the Bible, 1 Corinthians 10:12–13 says,
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he FALL.
is not referring to a Rapture but falling away from the Faith into sin. now let's look again at 2 Thessalonians 2: 3 Very closely:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Here is what it means in Reality.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day ( THE DAY OF CHRIST THE RAPTURE ) shall not come, except there come a falling away ( a people that becomes apostate, that rejected the faith that they once professed; they have fallen away from the faith ) first, and that man of sin ( the antichrist that is possibly trump ) be revealed, the son of perdition;
Notice there are 2 and i mean 2 events that happen BEFORE the Rapture happens.
Not 1 event 1st but 2 events happen BEFORE THE RAPTURE...
Read it over again if needed.
The people turning away from GOD and the antichrist gets revealed BEFORE THE RAPTURE...
Those 2 events happen BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND THATS SCRIPTURE...
Let nobody change Scripture and or mix their own doctrine into it to fit what they want it to say otherwise they are in danger of sin by then twisting the Scriptures....
Please Don't do that..
Andrew this below is what you make out 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to mean:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day ( THE DAY OF CHRIST THE RAPTURE ) shall not come, except there come a falling away ( THE DAY OF CHRIST THE RAPTURE that you think is the falling away ) first, and that man of sin ( the antichrist ) be revealed, the son of perdition;
notice according to how you interpret 2 Thess 2:3, thats 1 event happening before the antichrist gets revealed instead of 2 events 1st like the Scriptures Really Teach...Or we could word it like this:
The rapture can't happen until the rapture happens ( if falling away would mean rapture ) and the antichrist be revealed...
how in the world does that make any sense? 
An example:
Or i can't eat supper until i eat supper 1st
I can't go to sleep until i go to sleep 1st.
I can't read my Bible until i read my Bible 1st,etc.
Basically the rapture happened before the antichrist was revealed and then after the antichrist got revealed ( if the falling away means the rapture )
Then the Rapture happened again...
One Rapture split into 2 different time periods that doesn't even make sense unless you believe in time travel where we can go back in time or forward in time...
Do you understand here the problem with miss interpreting words of falling away to make it sound the rapture when its meaning something else according to the English language.
this is the Truth from 2 Thessalonians 2:3The people turning away from GOD and the antichrist gets revealed BEFORE THE RAPTURE...
THE RAPTURE HAPPENS AFTER AND IT MEANS "AFTER" THE ANTICHRIST GETS REVEALED...
We don't decide when the rapture is and we don't decide if we fly before the antichrist gets revealed...
GOD DECIDES THAT AND LETS NOT CHANGE IT...
Here is another thing, lets not freak out or get afraid and make up stuff like oh we cant see the antichrist because of a doctrine people made up,etc.
2 Thessalonians 2 is still teaching we are going to Heaven before the terrible tribulation and antichrist reign...
No we are STILL SAVED AND ITS NOT THE TRIBULATION YET AFTER THE ANTICHRIST GETS REVEALED TO US.
Read 2 Thessalonians 2 again...
Lets not get into the thinking that GOD can't reveal the antichrist to us before the rapture.
Revealing the antichrist to Christians doesn't mean the antichrist is then reigning in full power on earth and or there is no pre trib rapture...
It simply means what it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Revealed meaning many can know who is the man that actually is the antichrist, etc.
Very simple.
The antichrist can't be in his full power UNTIL THE RAPTURE HAPPENS AND THE RESTRAINER GETS REMOVED REMEMBER ?
THE RESTRAINER IS STILL RESTRAINING AFTER THE ANTICHRIST GETS REVEALED TO US SO WE CAN RELAX..
WE ARE GONE IN THE RAPTURE WHEN THE RESTRAINER LETS THE ANTICHRIST HAVE FULL POWER IN THE VERSES AFTER 2 THESS 2:3 IN 4 - 11
It will be that in 2 Thess 2:3 the antichrist will get revealed to people personally from the Holy Spirit and from others telling others he is the one,etc.
Then the Rapture happens, then in 2 Thess 2:4 - 11 the restrainer gets removed and the antichrist gets his full power to reveal himself onto the world scene to start doing his damage.
2 Thess 2:7-8
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Overall the antichrist is said to be revealed 2 different times on earth in 2 Thess 2:1-111st time as the man of sin.
2nd time as the wicked one when he gets his free reign on earth.
Here below is a Good teaching on this video about the falling away and how the antichrist will be revealed just before the Rapture.
https://youtu.be/Qg9q126GmMU?si=pXvyP2h8AppE5IpQ
2 Thessalonians 2:1 to 3So i ask you Dear Mr. Andrew Sheets, can you please correct your video on the falling away in 2 thess 2:3, that means departure from the Faith and not the rapture.
May GOD Bless you and continue to help you in your work of Spreading the Gospel Truth and warning people about trump
My Response:
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I want to make this clear to you:
I will not reply again to any further emails from you. I will take your commentary and use you as a CASE STUDY on why we have to actually STUDY God's word and not talk with words without knowledge.
I'd feel better if you'd tell me your full name. In the many years I've dealt with individuals online, I've found that the most provocative sort always remains anonymous. Also if you were being truthful with me here your education level and knowledge of the English Language, specifically Grammar is at best high school but you honestly did not understand or care to learn Grammar. You are also probably young or an aged fool who uses various bible translations and honestly have not studied the KING JAMES BIBLE.
I'm saying this in the spirit of love and truth. You are fully insulting my years of hard work and education. I am a licensed teacher of language. I have been diligently studying the KING JAMES BIBLE for over 20 years and reading the KING JAMES BIBLE for over 60 years. To be brutally honest with you I read your email carefully and am speechless at the level of your lack of understanding and yet have the audacity to tell me to change my teaching to your perverse understanding and to warn and caution me about twisting God's WORD when in fact you are doing so.
I say these things because reading your email carefully tells me 3 things very clearly:
1. Your knowledge of the English Language in Grammar and Vocabulary in Context is extremely naive at best. You are displaying a full scope of ignorance. The examples you give me about FALLING are completely out of context. This alone tells me you have no solid understanding of bible hermeneutics. The fact that you'd insult me with your severe lack in understanding CONTEXT and basic English Grammar - specifically the use of the Cataphoric Reference is frankly astounding.
2. You are either very young or are an aged fool and have not really read and studied the King James Bible and if the truth be told you're using various translations and honestly do not believe it makes a difference. I say this because I know you do not know the difference between the DAY OF THE LORD and THE DAY OF CHRIST. These are basic terms in basic bible study.
3. I have carefully read your email and I promise you that you have NOT taken the time to carefully read my study on 2 Thessalonians 2:2,3 KJB. It is most obvious by your commentary. This is both RUDE and PROVES YOUR LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL MATURITY.
I will take - waste my time - to carefully show you, demonstrate how terribly confused you are with bible terminology and basic English Grammar.
A. You actually believe that the DAY OF THE LORD - "THAT DAY" referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJB is the Day of Christ or the Rapture. IF YOU WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO READ MY BLOG YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND I AM NOT... REPEAT... I AM NOT SAYING THIS. You can research all you want. I will not waste my time giving you all the bible references defining the difference between DAY of the LORD and the DAY of Christ.
B. You obviously do not comprehend the Cataphoric Reference in GRAMMAR or in this case known as the antecedent of the DEMONSTRATIVE PRONOUN "THAT" used in the noun phrase "THAT DAY" THIS IS NOT... REPEAT NOT... REPEAT NOT a series of events or the continuous condition of apostasy but rather A SPECIFIC EVENT ONE EVENT. ONE EVENT. I won't even bother going into the meaning of an INDEFINITE ARTICLE referring to AN EVENT - SINGLE EVENT as I carefully explained in the VIDEO.
Read this for yourself:
In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, the phrase "that day" functions as a noun phrase. Specifically, it consists of a demonstrative pronoun "that" and a noun "day". Together, they refer to a specific event or time, which, in the context of this verse, is understood to be the Day of the Lord.
In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV), the apostle Paul writes:
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
The context of this passage provides clues that "that day" refers to the Day of the Lord. Here are the key points supporting this interpretation:
Context in the Chapter: The broader context of 2 Thessalonians 2 discusses events leading up to the Day of the Lord. Paul is addressing concerns about the timing of the Day of the Lord, reassuring the Thessalonians that it has not yet occurred. Consistency with Previous References: Earlier in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 (KJV), Paul directly refers to the Day of the Lord: "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." The language and themes in 2 Thessalonians 2 are consistent with Paul's earlier description of the Day of the Lord.
as I stated clearly in the video and the BLOG Paul is trying to calm down the people of Thessalonica because they received a letter from someone that They had missed the RAPTURE and were now in the TRIBULATION.
By examining the surrounding verses and the broader context of Paul's letters, we can see that "that day" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is indeed referring to the Day of the Lord, AKA TRIBULATION AKA DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK, AKA TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE.
You state here quote:
Notice there are 2 and i mean 2 events that happen BEFORE the Rapture happens.
Not 1 event 1st but 2 events happen BEFORE THE RAPTURE...
Read it over again if needed.
The people turning away from GOD and the antichrist gets revealed BEFORE THE RAPTURE...
my comment:
you are making this up... there are not 2 events. the AC is NOT revealed before the RAPTURE.
Those 2 events happen BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND THATS SCRIPTURE...
Let nobody change Scripture and or mix their own doctrine into it to fit what they want it to say otherwise they are in danger of sin by then twisting the Scriptures....
Please Don't do that..
You need to stop talking nonsense NOW! I am going to use your material as a CASE STUDY
Andrew this below is what you make out 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to mean:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day ( THE DAY OF CHRIST THE RAPTURE ) shall not come, except there come a falling away ( THE DAY OF CHRIST THE RAPTURE that you think is the falling away ) first, and that man of sin ( the antichrist ) be revealed, the son of perdition;
notice according to how you interpret 2 Thess 2:3, thats 1 event happening before the antichrist gets revealed instead of 2 events 1st like the Scriptures Really Teach...Or we could word it like this:
The rapture can't happen until the rapture happens ( if falling away would mean rapture ) and the antichrist be revealed...
how in the world does that make any sense? An example:
Or i can't eat supper until i eat supper 1st
I can't go to sleep until i go to sleep 1st.
I can't read my Bible until i read my Bible 1st,etc.
Basically the rapture happened before the antichrist was revealed and then after the antichrist got revealed ( if the falling away means the rapture )
Then the Rapture happened again...
One Rapture split into 2 different time periods that doesn't even make sense unless you believe in time travel where we can go back in time or forward in time...
Do you understand here the problem with miss interpreting words of falling away to make it sound the rapture when its meaning something else according to the English language.
this is the Truth from 2 Thessalonians 2:3The people turning away from GOD and the antichrist gets revealed BEFORE THE RAPTURE...
THE RAPTURE HAPPENS AFTER AND IT MEANS "AFTER" THE ANTICHRIST GETS REVEALED...
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