CASE STUDY of the Atheist who wants to give us a Bible Lesson on Slavery
1 Corinthians 10:11
“Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
King James Version (KJV)
Background:
Here's a bible lesson from an Atheist who tried to teach me that the Bible "condones and promotes" slavery including rape, murder, etc.
I would have allowed him to wait for my response to his commentary to my King James Bible teaching on Slavery but he kept sending vile commentary that even YouTube started blocking. Even though I told this misguided soul that I would be blocking him he went into a tirade and started harrassing my subscribers.
So I blocked him and here is my response. If anyone knows him you can send it over to him. But knowing how dark his heart is it is very doubful he will listen.
This is for the purpose of my viewers as a CASE STUDY.
Essential Studies:
Let's talk about the TRUTH regarding SLAVERY in the Bible
For homework how do we harmonize Deuteronomy 23 with Ruth the Moabite.
Deuteronomy 23:3
“An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:”
King James Version (KJV)
DEBATE | The Bible Condones Chattel Slavery: TRUE or FALSE? - Praise IAm vs. Cygnus Ustus
Here's an outstanding comment on the debate:
Cygn: goes from Christian channel to Christian channel to debate and teach the Bibe.
Here are his comments to my Blog and Video
Let's talk about the TRUTH regarding SLAVERY in the Bible
Cygn's comment here quote proves this atheist's lost soul:
I only commented on Harriet Tubman's African Spiritualism roots mixed in with Evangelism as noted repeatedly by biographer Dr. Kate Larson page 53, "Bound for the Promised Land".
"The lingering African spirit"
Well yeah, we had to stamp out their spirit, right?
Truly disgusting racist apologetics here.
End quote.
He continues: Quote:
Cygn continues: Quote:
@cygnusustus •
"A bondservant is the same as a slave."
Nope. You are lying about slavery in the Bible.
The word "eved" meant both bond servant (when applied to fellow Hebrews) and chattel slave (when applied to non-Hebrews).
Chattel slavery is defined as "the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work. Another definition is: "The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude."
@cygnusustus •
When you are done listening to this dishonest racist, here is the actual truth about slavery in the Bible.
The Bible condones and promotes chattel slavery.
Chattel slavery is defined as "the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work. Another definition is: "The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude."
Leviticus 25 explicitly describes and condones chattel slavery.
"44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
Under Mosaic law, foreign slaves were chattel slaves. They could be bought, sold, separated from their families, beaten, raped, killed, kept for life, and passed down as inherited property. Every specific reference to foreign slaves in the Bible is to deny them rights and protections afforded to Hebrew slaves. The treatment of foreign slaves was every bit as bad, or worse, than slavery in the Antebellum south.
If you have to lie to defend your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs.
End Quote.
My Response:
Nope. You are lying about slavery in the Bible.
The word "eved" meant both bond servant (when applied to fellow Hebrews) and chattel slave (when applied to non-Hebrews). "
Leviticus
25:39
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant
:
25:40
But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile:"
Compel = FORCE INTO BONDAGE - SLAVERY
2 Kings 4:1
“Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou knowest that thy servant did fear the LORD: and the creditor is come to take unto him my two sons to be bondmen.”
King James Version (KJV)
Exodus 1:14
“And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.”
King James Version (KJV)
See RIGOR with Leviticus 25:46:
/rigor Oxford English Dictionary = page 2549 Strict enforcement of a law Severity in dealing with people. SEVERE HARSH
OLD TESTAMENT under the LAW
Leviticus 25:44
“Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.”
King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 25:45
“Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.”
King James Version (KJV)
Isaiah 14:2
“And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.”
King James Version (KJV)
SERVICE vs SERVITUDE
Scholars often interpret Leviticus 25:45-46 to suggest that foreigners had a choice to become bondservants because of the broader context of ancient Near Eastern practices and the specific wording of the text. In the ancient world, it was common for individuals to seek permanent employment or security through bondservant arrangements, especially if they were poor or in need.
The idea is that foreigners, who were often in a vulnerable position, might choose bondservant status as a means of securing food, shelter, and protection within the Israelite community. This interpretation is supported by the fact that the text allows Israelites to buy bondservants from surrounding nations and from foreigners residing among them
Specifically, that foreigners were bondsmen they were as I stated above NOT in SERVITUDE but rather SERVICE. Preferring to have food and shelter instead of starving to death in deep poverty.
Leviticus 25:45-46 does indeed state that a person should not be compelled to serve as a bondman. However, it also allows for foreigners to be taken as permanent servants IF... Repeat IF they willingly consented to it.
Foreign slaves from debt or poverty did not have the same rights as Israelites who went into servitude because of debt. They could be held as BONDED LABORERS for life (assuming their debt or obligation was never paid), though they had to be treated humanely (Exodus 20:8-11).
Because of commentary I've received I also need to address the Hebrew word "ebed" H5650 - Ancient Hebrew Lexicon 2518. In all cases throughout the Old Testament in the 800 cases this word is used only 10 cases actually refer to a SLAVE = in BONDAGE or SERVITUDE which literally means: "A slave with 'SUBJECTION' to EXCESSIVE LABOR Oxford English Dictionary page 2743. This perfectly matches the word I discuss above as BONDAGE under OPPRESSION in Exodus under Pharoah or in the New Testament where Paul compares bondage under the Devil in spiritual darkness.
This harmonizes with the strict demands on those who have servants both Israelite and non-Israelite
Exodus 23:9
“Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
King James Version (KJV)
Exodus 21:16
“And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.”
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 1:16-18 in the King James Version (KJV) states:
> 16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.
18 And I commanded you at that time all the things which ye should do.
And in Exodus 21:16 KJB the strict prohibition of SLAVERY.
This passage emphasizes the importance of fair and impartial judgment, including for foreigners (strangers) living among the Israelites. It highlights the principle of justice and equality under the law.
Leviticus 25:44-46, if the owner chose to release the non-Israelite servant, they could do so. The passage IMPLIES that servants should NOT be ruled over with RIGOR to take foreigners under this consideration as well. Especially when we harmonize with scriptures above. emphasizes that the Israelites should not rule over non-Israelite servants with rigor, implying that they had the option to set them free.
All others are SERVANTS. The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon 2518 makes the distinction of this word "ebed" SERVANT and NOT SLAVE but in the case of the Hebrews in BONDAGE to Pharoah it was SERVITUDE.
False teachers and promoters of racial hatred will try to say that the Bible promoted Slavery in the Old Testament under the Mosaic Law using Leviticus 25:24,25:
This is common for Atheists to quote the Old Testament especially Leviticus 25 regarding slavery being promoted in the word of God. In the King James Bible the WORD is translated as "bondmen and bondmaids both as I described above as SERVANTS who are used in Labor but NOT in BONDAGE as describe in Exodus.
Cygn continues: Quote:
@cygnusustus • 1 hour ago
"The children of Israel in Egypt were true slaves."
You haven't read your Bible much, have you? The Bible describes the Hebrews in Egypt as owning house, livestock, and expensive jewelry. That does not sound like chattel slavery to me. Chattel slaves cannot own property, as they are property. The Hebrews in Egypt were more like serfs than slaves.
Read your Bible, dude.
My Response:
@vietrandy1
• usually I would delete absurd comments like yours, but nope for now I'm going to copy your comment and use you as my new POSTER CHILD to prove how you profess yourself to wise have become a FOOL. I will respond to your laughable comment and then hold for 12 hours and block you and post you in a new study.
This proves this Reprobate ATHEIST did not read my Bible. We never see Joseph and his family under Bondage in Egypt UNTIL WHEN?
Read:
Exodus 1:14
“And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.”
King James Version (KJV)
King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, the descendants of Joseph became slaves in Egypt after the death of Joseph and the rise of a new Pharaoh who did not know Joseph (Exodus 1:8). This marked the beginning of their bondage.
The relevant scripture in Exodus is Exodus 1:8 (KJV):
> "And a new king arose over Egypt, which knew not Joseph."
This event led to the Israelites being subjected to slavery and harsh labor under the new Pharaoh's rule.
Exodus 1:14
“And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.”
King James Version (KJV)
See RIGOR with Leviticus 25:46:
In verse 40 we see SOJOURNER - foreigner that refers to
refers to foreigners or sojourners dwelling with the Israelites. The term "sojourner" implies a foreigner or someone living temporarily among the Israelites. So, it's not just about Israelites but also includes foreigners who might be in need and living among them.
In the Old Testament, the terms "stranger" and "sojourner" are used to describe individuals who are not native Israelites but reside temporarily or permanently among the people of Israel. These terms are significant in understanding the social, legal, and religious dynamics of ancient Israelite society.
Leviticus 25:44 in the King James Version (KJV) states:
"For they are my servants, which I have brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen." (KJV)
This verse is often misunderstood. Here's why it doesn't condone chattel slavery:
Historical Context: The term "ebed" (translated as "servants" or "slaves") in ancient Hebrew often referred to individuals who were in a temporary, non-hereditary service, not lifelong, dehumanizing chattel slavery.
Covenant People: The Israelites were considered God's covenant people, and the laws were meant to protect them from being treated as chattel slaves. The verse emphasizes that these "servants" are not to be sold as bondmen, indicating a distinction from permanent slavery.
Jubilee Laws: Leviticus 25 as a whole is about the Year of Jubilee, which aimed to prevent permanent poverty and ensure economic justice. Every 50 years, debts were forgiven, and people were to be freed from servitude, promoting redemption and restoration.
Broader Biblical Teachings: The Bible contains numerous teachings on fair treatment and justice. For example, Exodus 21:16 condemns kidnapping, and Deuteronomy 15:12-15 instructs that Hebrew slaves should be released after six years of service.
So, Leviticus 25:44, when understood in its historical and biblical context, does not condone chattel slavery but rather temporary service that is not meant to be permanent.
Additional note regarding the wealth the Israelites had:
As the children of Israel were departing Egypt, they took wealth from the Egyptians. This event is described in Exodus 12:35-36 KJB, which says:
> "And the children of Israel did eat unleavened bread for the space of forty days, even all the days the army of the Lord oppressed the Egyptians, and the people took their journey out of the land of Egypt in haste. For the Egyptians made the people haste; for they said, Let us be gone from the face of the children of Israel. And the children of Israel took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders. And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: And the Lord gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them; and they withstood the Egyptians, and took their cattle, and their flocks, and their goods."
It's a fascinating story of how the Israelites left Egypt with not only their own belongings but also with wealth taken from the Egyptians.
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