Revelation 12 is The Rapture Celestial Sign and Debunking: Not knowing the Day or Hour of Rapture

This study is for those who are mature Christians diligently searching the scriptures, who know how to rightly divide the word, 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV, who are loving the return of Jesus in our Rapture, awaiting their crown of righteousness, 2 Timothy 4:8, who understand the truth regarding the teaching that no man know the day or hour Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32,  does not apply to the Rapture and  does not harmonize with 1 Thessalonians 5:4 because of dispensation and event differences. Fully discussed in notes below.

This study is not for anyone that finds the study of the signs in the heavens as unbiblical or not solid bible based truth events revealed and will reveal major events. Or especially for those who hold celestial signs as evil or as heretical teaching, or somehow a part of a Noahide conspiracy please do not read further.

Sadly, too many Christians fail to understand the importance of signs in heaven, especially considering that God created the heavens and the message of the heavens runs throughout the bible. Many, even those I otherwise respect for their bible knowledge consider Bible astrology no different than demonic astrology worthy of Old Testament stoning. See Note 1 below discussion of the difference between Bible astrology and astronomy vs Satanic astrology where Satan uses God’s creation, astronomy, and perverts what God forbids such as horoscopes fortune tellers, etc.

Why would God use signs in the heavens, speak of each major event in the Bible: Especially the Birth of Jesus Christ, His Death, Jesus’ Resurrection, Our Resurrection and the Coming Destruction and final Judgement upon Israel, and Christians not recognizing this? How would any good Bible student harmonize the following scriptures and not understand that God uses his creation to display his grandeur and for signs and that Satan is a copycat and perverts all that is good? See Deuteronomy 4:19 (Astrologers are evil) with Matthew 2:1-2 (Magi following “the star” “Venus”(planets are referred to as stars) in a super rare conjunction with probably Jupiter and other planets) See Birth of Jesus in the Heavens link in Note 1 below) and Numbers 24:17 (Announcing a star to proclaim Jesus in Matthew 2:1-2) Also, please see note 1 below of links proving scripture that God speaks clearly on the signs the heavens, that he used signs in the heavens to declare major events from the first advent of Jesus Christ, the death of Jesus Christ, and terrible events during the Tribulation, including “clearly” marked Rapture event.

Reasons I've found Christians don't believe in Heavenly signs; that God uses and has used and will use these biblical signs:

1. They do not read their Bible or especially study their Bible to know how to rightly divide it. See Notes 1, 2, and 3 below.

2. If they are truly saved, real Christian's, they are still drinking milk, , 1 Corinthians 3:1-3, are babies in Christ and are the weaker of the brethren. See studies and links in Note 4 below. Special note is the Tyranny of the Weaker Brother.

3. They think watching Celestial signs is Jewish Mysticism, mystical talmudic Satan incarnate, Kabbalah, Noahide related. They fail to understand that I have thoroughly studied this subject and prove how God’s creation and Proper BIBLICAL doctrine has been subverted and twisted. See Note 5 below:

4. They do not believe in the Rapture or Catching away of the Church as and mangle doctrine including celestial signs and knowing the date or hour scripture. See note 6 below.

5. They are getting information from wrong teaching most l and likely from false teachers. The blind leading the blind. See note 7 below.

Study Notes below:

NOTE 1: Bible based study on Signs in the Heavens and Scriptures and Links proving Signs in the Heavens

Powerful Explanation of the Heavenly Constellations by Barry Setterfield

The Star of Bethlehem

Details of the signs in the heavens of Jesus's birth

The signs in the heavens by Chuck Missler:

The Witness of the Stars E.W. Bulinger

Studies by Revelation

Note: The late Pastor Pastor Herring had a tremendous video entitled The Pyramids were not built by human hands and that these hybrids (nephlim) built what they witnessed in heaven. They knew and witnessed the truth as written in Romans chapter 1:18-32, but denied it.

Bible Astronomy and Astrology are not the same as Demonic Astrology such as horoscopes and the occult. See links:

See where even an atheist can plainly see the clear paradox of the Bible both saying astrology is wrong and evil and where the Bible promotes and uses astrology. One is of God clearly and the other is Satan’s perversion of God’s creation.

Please see my study on Paradox and why God uses this powerful tool to take two truths which are complete contradictions and places them both together.

Paradox #14: The reason for Christ’s coming

“I did not come to judge the world.” (John 12:47)

“I came into this world for judgment.” (John 9:39)

Application questions: What was the purpose of Christ’s first coming compared to His second coming? How does an understanding of the gospel narrative reveal both of Christ’s statements are true?

The power of paradoxes

Understanding the many paradoxes of Scripture isn’t an easy task. It requires serious study and a familiarity with the grand narrative of Scripture.

But as Christ indicated in His dialogue with Satan in the wilderness, a proper understanding of biblical paradoxes equips one to counter the enemy’s twisting of Scripture with the informed reply, “It is also written…” (Matthew 4:7).

Christianity as a Paradoxical Faith

Scripture proving Signs in the Heaven and how God uses them:

Genesis 1:14 KJV

Genesis 1:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Psalm 147 King James Version (KJV)

147 4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

Isaiah 40

22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:


Job 38:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Hebrews 1:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

And as the centerpiece for this Blog

Revelation 12:1-5 King James Version (KJV)

12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Psalms 19:5 - Romans 10:18

Note 2: Correct Bible Dispensation from Genesis through Revelation

Note 3: Bible Translations are important

Note 4: The weaker Brother, lacking Bible knowledge of a mature seasoned Christian

Colossians 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Once again Paul exhorts Christians then and today not to listen to or follow those who would impose observances whether these be food or holidays. See Colossians 2:16 Commentary below:

This also includes the many encumbrances encumbrances (plural noun)

a burden or impediment.
"the horse raised its hind leg as if to rid itself of an encumbrance" · [more]
hindrance · obstruction · obstacle · impediment · restraint · constraint · handicap · inconvenience · nuisance · disadvantage · drawback · cumber · responsibility that is laid upon us by others that are legalistic. Please see my study on the weaker Brother : The Tyranny of the Weaker Brother below, regarding how a mature Christian is more at liberty than a new Christian and how the mature Christian must not do in front of a weaker new Christian finds offensive. There are however issues that Paul calls, “disputable matters in Romans 14 which proves the body of Christ will never eliminate differing points of view. What one person may deem essential does not dictate a universal Christian point of view. Also Paul acknowledges that we all see through a glass darkly and that 1 Corinthians 13:9 we only know some things in “part”. Nevertheless, the essential doctrine being the gospel of Jesus Christ, the deity of Jesus Christ etc are not up for dispute.

Discussing the signs in the heavens will always draw heavy controversy.

More study

Interesting that in Galatians (the Grace Book) Paul teaches that now under the dispensation of Grace we have freedom that those who were under the law could never imagine.

Colossians 2:16 Commentary by Matthew Henry

Galatians 4 Commentary by Matthew Henry

Because you are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father. And hereupon (v. 7) the apostle concludes this argument by adding, Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and, if a son, then an heir of God through Christ; that is, Now, under the gospel state, we are no longer under the servitude of the law, but, upon our believing in Christ, become the sons of God; we are thereupon accepted of him, and adopted by him; and, being the sons, we are also heirs of God, and are entitled to the heavenly inheritance (as he also reasons Rom. 8:17 ), and therefore it must needs be the greatest weakness and folly to turn back to the law, and to seek justification by the works of it. From what the apostle says in these verses, we may observe,1. The wonders of divine love and mercy towards us, particularly of God the Father, in sending his Son into the world to redeem and save us,—of the Son of God, in submitting so low, and suffering so much, for us, in pursuance of that design,—and of the Holy Spirit, in condescending to dwell in the hearts of believers for such gracious purposes.2. The great and invaluable advantages which Christians enjoy under the gospel; for, (1.) We receive the adoption of sons. Whence note, It is the great privilege which believers have through Christ that they are adopted children of the God of heaven. We who by nature are children of wrath and disobedience have become by grace children of love. (2.) We receive the Spirit of adoption. Note, [1.] All who have the privilege of adoption have the Spirit of adoption-all who are received into the number partake of the nature of the children of God; for he will have all his children to resemble him. [2.] The Spirit of adoption is always the Spirit of prayer, and it is our duty in prayer to eye God as a Father. Christ has taught us in prayer to eye God as our Father in heaven. [3.] If we are his sons, then his heirs. It is not so among men, with whom the eldest son is heir; but all God’s children are heirs. Those who have the nature of sons shall have the inheritance of sons.

The Tyranny of the Weaker Brother (Note this author is 7th Day Adventist and a woman preacher. I oppose both based on scripture. I do however agree with this author’s identification, assessment and conclusion on the subject.)

Note 5: The Kabbalah- Kabbalists Talmud Jewish Mysticism and the evils thereof

The Noahide law deception

Note 6: We do know the date and hour and Yes the Rapture of the church is Biblical based fact

Also addressed in notes below we’ll show how many of these so called Christians actually do not believe in the Rapture of the Church and or they have no idea of Dispensationalism ( Bible and who don’t even read their Bible but rather rely on what they’ve been taught or told by someone else. Yes, the blind being led by the blind. Mostly these people are in a brick and mortar 501C3 church building being taught by a seminary student who has been educated in an apostate non KJV Bible reading or believing seminary. Also please note I had a front row seat to watch my son change after 2 years in an apostate seminary.

No man knows the date or the hour. Every single time someone uses this scripture in reference to the PreTribulation Rapture they are: 1. confusing the Tribulation events with the Pre Tribulation Rapture. 2 Not rightly dividing the word of God, see notes below. And 3. They haven’t harmonized Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 5:4. See notes.

Matthew 24 is in part the past 70 AD event and the future Tribulation NOT the Rapture.

See Dr. Ice Liberty University study of Matthew 24 Rapture or Tribulation?

Barry Setterfield the same author of Powerful Explanation of the Heavenly Constellations by Barry Setterfield I posted above,

does not believe in the phrase "no man knows the day or hour" because of the KJV translation. I strongly agree with Mr. Mr. Setterfield in that we Christians today can indeed discern the day and hour of our redemption based primarily on proper dispensations; Matthew 24 is not referring to the Rapture, but the Tribulation and harmonizing with 1 Thessalonians 5:4 and studies below. I do however strongly disagree with Mr. Setterfield that the Matthew 24 KJV Bible translation is unclear. See my Bible translation matters link below.

Errors in trying to prove Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 5:4 are the same event.

Here below in this link, it’s obvious at first look that this author must think the reader is completely illiterate in Bible hermeneutics and especially knowing how to rightly divide the word of truth (dispensation). Here also the author unknowingly calls themselves out as a liar. Note they compare Matthew 24 events with the Tribulation Revelation 6-8 SEAL judgments which is exactly true. So how could Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 5:4 be the same when Paul clearly teaches that the catching away will be before the Day of The Lord aka Time of Jacob’s Trouble aka The Tribulation. See 1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:4 also see my Blog summary on the subject below this link.

Note 7: There are far too many baby Christian's sitting in church buildings being spoon fed lies and doctrine of demons.

Note 501C3 Brick and Mortar Buildings run by Jesuit trained CEOs called Pastors are not churches - Why I as a born again Christian do not “go to” church, I am the church


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