How we Saints endure suffering in this life
Isaiah 53:11
“He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
King James Version (KJV)
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@vietrandy1
WOW! Thank you. I completely missed the 5x compared to the Gentiles before they found Jesus Christ. POWERFUL. Thank you Teacher. God bless you abundantly. Maranatha!
@Eisenhammer78
vietrandy1 Maranatha dear Brother Andrew. I am just a little student, you are a teacher :) God bless you
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@vietrandy1
Brother. I am a licensed teacher and the greatest goal of a great teacher by God's Grace is when the Student becomes the Teacher. Your knowledge of DOCTRINE is growing exponentially because of your LOVE for Jesus Christ who is the WORD.
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@Eisenhammer78
@vietrandy1 Amen Brother, thank you so much. I just read Isaiah 53-11 a couple of minutes ago "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." We need to have knowledge of him and what he did for us. Therefore we love him, because he loved us first and gave himself for us. All Glory to Jesus Christ for ever and ever, Amen. God bless and Maranatha Brother
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@vietrandy1
Amen! Thank you Brother. God bless you. Maranatha!
Eisenhammer78: Your quote is a glorious and powerful expression of The Spirit of Christ giving you tremendous knowledge of Him in order to utter such words. "We need to have knowledge of him and what he did for us. Therefore we love him, because he loved us first and gave himself for us. All Glory to Jesus Christ for ever and ever, Amen." Thank you for sharing this to equip and encourage the Saints.
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Eisenhammer78: travail - A labor that causes grief and pain. In the context of Isaiah 53 and harmonizing this with 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Galatians 3:13 KJB 2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” King James Version (KJV). It's overwhelming!!!
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@vietrandy1
Brother. I am a licensed teacher and the greatest goal of a great teacher by God's Grace is when the Student becomes the Teacher. Your knowledge of DOCTRINE is growing exponentially because of your LOVE for Jesus Christ who is the WORD.
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@Eisenhammer78
@vietrandy1 Amen Brother, thank you so much. I just read Isaiah 53-11 a couple of minutes ago "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." We need to have knowledge of him and what he did for us. Therefore we love him, because he loved us first and gave himself for us. All Glory to Jesus Christ for ever and ever, Amen. God bless and Maranatha Brother
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@vietrandy1
Amen! Thank you Brother. God bless you. Maranatha!
Eisenhammer78: Your quote is a glorious and powerful expression of The Spirit of Christ giving you tremendous knowledge of Him in order to utter such words. "We need to have knowledge of him and what he did for us. Therefore we love him, because he loved us first and gave himself for us. All Glory to Jesus Christ for ever and ever, Amen." Thank you for sharing this to equip and encourage the Saints.
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Eisenhammer78: travail - A labor that causes grief and pain. In the context of Isaiah 53 and harmonizing this with 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Galatians 3:13 KJB 2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” King James Version (KJV). It's overwhelming!!!
Note: The following observation by Brother Cameron corrects my error of stating that our sins and our curse was placed on Jesus. I removed the statement from the preceding paragraph.
This is what we are to do as good Bereans. Thank you Brother Cameron:
I believe it is necessary to point out that no curse was ever placed on Jesus Christ, and that sin and the curse of the law are not the same in doctrine.
Quote from Brother Andrew in response to Brother Eisenhammer:
"travail - A labor that causes grief and pain. In the context of Isaiah 53 and harmonizing this with 2 Corinthians 5:21 and Galatians 3:13 KJB 2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” King James Version (KJV) Jesus was made to be sin for us. He was made a curse for us. Our sin and our curse from the fall were placed on Him. It's overwhelming!!!"
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My comment is largely based on the following three published studies:
"The study of Scripture for doctrine and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
"Who is Jesus Christ? Godhead versus Trinity"
"DOCTRINE MATTERS: Jesus Christ did NOT Become Sin for us; He was MADE TO BE SIN for us."
Isaiah 53:11
"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."
2 Corinthians 5:21
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
Galatians 3:13
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"
1 Corinthians 12:3
"Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."
Matthew 5:17
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Romans 5:12-14
"12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
1 John 3:4
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
Romans 3:19-20
"19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
James 1:15
"Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
It is written that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus Christ accursed (1 Corinthians 12:3). Therefore, Jesus Christ cannot be cursed, that is Jesus Christ cannot have a curse placed on Him.
Sin was in the world before the law, but sin is not imputed when there is no law (Romans 5:13). It is also written that sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20). Even though sin exists without the law, man can only know of sin when given the law, and only when given the law sin is imputed. And sin, when it is finished, brings forth death (James 1:15). Therefore, death is the price of sin. With man's choice to transgress God's first commandment to man not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:16-17), sin was imputed to man and death by sin, which was passed on to all following generations of men (Genesis 2:16-17, Genesis 3:6, Genesis 3:22, Romans 5:12-14).
Because God is righteous (Psalms 11:7, Psalms 19:9, Psalms 116:5, Psalms 119:137, Psalms 119:160, Psalms 129:4, Psalms 145:17, Daniel 9:14, 2 Timothy 4:8, 1 John 2:1, Revelation 16:5, Revelation 16:7, Revelation 19:2), and because besides God there is none righteous (Romans 3:10), it follows that only God is righteous. Sin was in the world already before the law (Romans 5:13) because only God is righteous and no one else. Because only God is righteous, God speaks truth, all His words are in righteousness, and He cannot lie (Proverbs 8:7-8, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18) and the law is given by the word of God, it is inevitable that through the law all the world may become guilty before God (Romans 3:19).
But because the law is given by the word of God and the word of God will stand forever (Psalms 119:89, Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35), the curse of the law will also stand forever. Therefore, the curse of the law is never finished, unlike sin which can be finished (James 1:15).
When Jesus Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, this could not happen by destroying the law but only in fulfillment of the law, because the word of God will stand forever (Psalms 119:89, Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35) and God is not a liar and must keep His word (Proverbs 8:7-8, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18). Therefore, it is written that Jesus Christ came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). Furthermore, Jesus Christ cannot have a curse placed on Him (1 Corinthians 12:3).
But it is written that everyone that hangeth on a tree is cursed (Galatians 3:13). How then could Jesus Christ redeem us from the curse of the law if He hanged on a tree and the law cannot be destroyed and Jesus Christ cannot have a curse placed on Him? The only way was Jesus Christ being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13), and this can never be undone, as the law cannot be destroyed because the word of God will stand forever (Psalms 119:89, Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35) and God is not a liar (Proverbs 8:7-8, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18).
But it is written that everyone that hangeth on a tree is cursed (Galatians 3:13). How then could Jesus Christ redeem us from the curse of the law if He hanged on a tree and the law cannot be destroyed and Jesus Christ cannot have a curse placed on Him? The only way was Jesus Christ being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13), and this can never be undone, as the law cannot be destroyed because the word of God will stand forever (Psalms 119:89, Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35) and God is not a liar (Proverbs 8:7-8, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18).
But no curse was ever placed on Jesus Christ.
God, that is Jesus Christ, had made Himself a sin offering for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him (2 Corinthians 5:21).
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God, that is Jesus Christ, Himself being made a curse for us to redeem us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13).
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God, that is Jesus Christ, Himself being made a curse for us to redeem us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13).
Brother Cameron
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