Understanding the Revelation 12 Sign - Reproving Dr. Woods & Dustin "Busy For The Lord."
The Revelation 12 Sign is understood by Revelation 12:5 King James Bible: The Church will be Raptured before the Tribulation. The Man Child is the CHURCH and NOT Jesus Christ. The Church will reign with Jesus Christ.
Genesis 1:14
“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”
King James Version (KJV)
Luke 21:25
“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;”
King James Version (KJV)
Amos 5:8
“Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:”
King James Version (KJV)
Psalm 136:7-9 KJB
7To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:
8The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:
9The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Dustin at :"Busy for the Lord."
How dare Dr. Woods and Dustin say the Signs in Heavens are GREEK MYTHOLOGY
Woods begins his strawman argument by saying the signs in the heavens related to bible prophecy is GREEK MYTHOLOGY.
He lies saying this is symbolic using SIMILE See my notes and understand simile vs metaphor. He compares Revelation 12 to Genesis 37 and leaves it at Israel. He lies and says that Rapture CAUGHT UP is what happened to Jesus. He says that when Herod tried to kill Jesus this was fulfilled as the physical and Revelation 12 is the spiritual. Read my study and find the many flaws of Dr. Woods.
Revelation 12:5
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
King James Version (KJV)
Revelation 3:21
“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
King James Version (KJV)
Galatians 4:26
“But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
King James Version (KJV)
Romans 4:16
“Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”
King James Version (KJV)
John 8:39
“They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)
John 8:58
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
King James Version (KJV)
Perverted translation:
Revelation 12:5
New American Standard Bible
The Male Child, Christ
5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to [a]rule all the [b]nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne.
footnotes: a: or shepherd b: or gentiles
See Details further below:
The purpose of this study is to soundly reprove Dr. Woods and this Dustin at "Busy for the Lord" on their misguided and sloppy exegesis of scripture and worse their use of the perverted Bible translation to teach. REVELATION 12 SIGN
WARNING: TEACHERS ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD AND WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDINGLY.
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. James 3:1 King James Bible
Why King James Bible?
Dr. Woods gets Revelation 12:6-17 correct. However, Sadly Dr. Woods and this young misguided young man Dustin at "Busy for the Lord" are using perverted BIBLE translations; If you compare the NASB Revelation 12:5 with the KING JAMES BIBLE you will see a major difference. It is disgusting actually. I exposed Dr. Woods back 2018 when he destroyed Luke 17:21 in his otherwise good study on the coming Kingdom. You can read this for yourself:
Just as Dr. Woods made a a mockery of Luke 17 he is now doing the same thing with Revelation 12:5. Note, he gets Revelation 12:6-17 correct but he mangles 12:5 KJB. I did a study on the Revelation 12:5 sign back in 2017. WAY before the 2017 Revelation 12 sign crowd - early church fathers knew that the Man Child represented the Church RAPTURED CAUGHT UP HARPAZO G726 (NOT ascended as Jesus Christ did. study please).
Background: In order to understand the Church and its relationship with Jesus Christ in the context of Revelation 12:5 we must understand Psalm 2, Psalm 110, Acts 2:32-39, Romans 1:2, 2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:10, (12:5 of course), 20:6 King James Bible.
I have here detailed studies that are "directly related" that I urge you to take the time to research.
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2017/03/rapture-watch-signs-in-heavens.html
Rapture watch Signs in the Heavens Revelation 12:5 September 2017 (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Reproving Dr. Andrew Woods - a case study in how modern day Bible Scholars pour Leaven into the Manna (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Time to take a hard look at 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3, 7 KJV #Rapture #AntiChrist #EndTimes (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Rapture watch Signs in the Heavens Revelation 12:5 September 2017 (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Reproving Dr. Andrew Woods - a case study in how modern day Bible Scholars pour Leaven into the Manna (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
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Understanding the End Timeline - #Rapture #Tribulation #Millennial Reign of Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Woe Be unto You who think there is NO PRE TRIB-RAPTURE. (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Church of Philadelphia VS The Church of Laodicea (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
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The Little Flock Comes to The Church; The Antivenom for the Hyper-Dispensationalist (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Bride - The Wife - The Church - One in Israel - One in Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
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Answering Trinitarians: What does Christ sitting on the Right Hand of God mean? (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Dear Saint. Remember Jesus is right in the midst of it with us. (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
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Understanding the End Timeline - #Rapture #Tribulation #Millennial Reign of Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Woe Be unto You who think there is NO PRE TRIB-RAPTURE. (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Church of Philadelphia VS The Church of Laodicea (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Church of Philadelphia will be Raptured, Receive Crowns and Reign with Christ. Which Church do you belong? (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Little Flock Comes to The Church; The Antivenom for the Hyper-Dispensationalist (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Bride - The Wife - The Church - One in Israel - One in Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Lord Rebuke all who deny the Church as the Bride of Christ - They very likely may be Bridesmaids... (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Co reigning with Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Why Hyper-Dispensationalists Remove Prophecy for the Church (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Essential Necessity of Understanding the BEMA - Our Crowns - Our Rule with Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
To be a Good Soldier for Jesus We have to Know our Authority and Responsibility in order to Strive Lawfully (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Scripture that keeps Trinitarians and Jews up at night. Psalm 110:1 KJV (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Answering Trinitarians: What does Christ sitting on the Right Hand of God mean? (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Dear Saint. Remember Jesus is right in the midst of it with us. (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Trinity is Pagan Practice of Polytheism in Mainstream Christianity #EndTimes #Apostasy (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2021/11/answering-trinitarians-what-does-christ.html
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2021/11/the-scripture-that-keeps-trinitarians.html
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2021/11/answering-trinitarians-what-does-christ.html
https://www.thethirdheaventraveler.com/2021/11/the-scripture-that-keeps-trinitarians.html
Revelation 12:5
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
King James Version (KJV)
Perverted translation:
Revelation 12:5
New American Standard Bible
The Male Child, Christ
5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to [a]rule all the [b]nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne.
footnotes: a: or shepherd b: or gentiles
Son vs Man Child why the NASB and other perverted bibles add Son. (male child ESV, NKJV) . Male and Son with child denotes infant birth. Man CHILD is an adult male brought forth from travail and suffering. Since this is humanly impossible this must be a METAPHOR Not a Simile as Dr. Woods is trying to teach saying that the use of simile uses LIKE. Show me where the set up for simile is used. Study the difference between metaphor and simile.
In the King James Bible "brought forth" is G5088 tikto primary word tiktō - in the context of BIRTH of Jesus Christ is always used with SON but NEVER MAN CHILD. The only two times G5088 is used as bring forth with MAN CHILD is Revelation Chapter 12:5 and verse 13.
Man G730 arrhen, arsen John uses man in the neuter meaning a body NOT an individual and Child G5207 uihos used for the sons of Abraham used to describe those who are born again Luke 20:36 KJB. In the New Testament = Christians whose character God, as a loving father shapes by chastisements (Hebrews 12:5-8 KJB). Those who revere God as their father, the worshippers of God, who in character and life resemble God, who are governed BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. Romans 8:14, Galatians 3:26. KINSHIP See my study, come meet my Kinsman Redeemer:
*See notes below on more details
JERUSALEM is the MOTHER of us all Read Galatians 4:26 John is given a visual of the MYSTERY of the Church.
The Woman is Jerusalem - the mother of us all (Galatians 4:26). "Jerusalem Above" is the Kingdom of God which in this context is also the Kingdom of Heaven. This signifies we are born into this Kingdom and we inherit this kingdom. This gives me a more precise understanding. Thank you Sister.
Romans 8:17
King James Version
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Mark 10:15
“Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.”
King James Version (KJV)
1 Corinthians 13:11
“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
King James Version (KJV)
To produce from a seed. Jesus Christ did NOT proceed from the seed of Joseph or Mary. He was conceived and born NOT as a Human but Man. .
CONTEXT:
EXEGESIS (GRAMMAR - VOCABULARY)
Grammar lesson: brought forth a man child does not mean the same as brought forth a son, a male. The King James translators did not add the word SON because of the TEXTUS RECEPTUS translation. See study on why the King James Bible is THE FINAL AUTHORITY OF GOD's WORD.
vs
who was to rule all nations King James Bible
going to = future tense with a definite article. I urge to study the meaning and use of a definite article "the" and compare with all nations without an article. A 5th grade grammar student can point out this shocking difference. I will let the reader figure this out for themselves.
Now look at future tense verse the NASB NIV etc PERVERTED BIBLES and compare with KING JAMES BIBLE use of past tense 3rd person (in context) with the infinitive of the verb To Rule.
Future tense there is NOT PRE CONDITION,.
to be plus infinitive KING JAMES BIBLE = To talk about pre-conditions
The structure be + infinitive is used to talk about official plans and arrangements in a formal style.
The Prime Minister is to visit Africa next month.
We are to get a wage rise in May.
Be can be followed by a perfect infinitive (to have + past participle) to show that a planned event did not happen.
I was to have returned last month, but I changed my mind.
To talk about pre-conditions
* rule = one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere:
NOW HERE YOU MUST STOP AND UNDERSTAND OUR POSITION CURRENTLY IN JESUS CHRIST AND OUR FUTURE ROLE AS WE RULE WITH HIM.
WE RULE WITH CHRIST The major scripture to study in relation to Revelation 12:5 is Isaiah 66:7-12, 2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6,5:10, Read Jeremiah 51:19-25, Revelation 19:14,
Isaiah 66:7-12 King James Bible
7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
HER CHILD WAS CAUGHT UP
Church RAPTURED CAUGHT UP HARPAZO G726 (NOT ascended as Jesus Christ did. study please.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJB RAPTURE
2 Corinthians 12:2 KJB Paul was Raptured into the 3rd Heaven
Revelation 12:5 KJB The Church is Raptured... Here is a literary interlude in which John is shown that the church birthed from Israel - Abraham was under tremendous persecution after Pentecost Acts of the Apostles and was RAPTURED before the Tribulation began.
ALL OTHER HARPAZO uses refer to violent snatching up.
JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT RAPTURED HE LIFTED HIMSELF UP, ASCENDED. WAS NOT SNATCHED
Luke Chapter 24
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
carried up = G399 = to lift up oneself...
Ascends Into Heaven Mark 16:19 KJV Mark Chapter 16 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
= to raise up
...it is my understanding that Jesus Christ Himself makes no distinction between Himself and those that are His. He says He is THEM (in the sense of Christ within, they are born again)
One can see this from Acts 9:
Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Saul was persecuting disciples, yet Christ said Saul was persecuting HIM . Therefore I see that Christ calls those that are His as being Himself.
John 3:13
“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
King James Version (KJV)
= G305 ARISE TO GO UP (In the context of stepping (under one's own power)
Acts 1:9 KJV
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
G1869 tO LIFT UP RAISE UP (into the air).
King James Bible UNTO GOD and To His (God's) Throne.
Unto in this context means: FOR THE PURPOSE OF. Research the etymology and the Oxford English Dictionary in this context.
NASB and other PERVERTED translations: read: "caught up TO God and TO HIS THRONE.
An elementary student understands that UNTO GOD and TO GOD are different and mean in context that Jesus IN CONTEXT of Dr. Woods and Dustin, would have been raptured up and stand before God almighty and stand at God's Throne and NOT his own.
Comment from Sister Ursula:
...it is my understanding that Jesus Christ Himself makes no distinction between Himself and those that are His. He says He is THEM (in the sense of Christ within, they are born again)
One can see this from Acts 9:
Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Saul was persecuting disciples, yet Christ said Saul was persecuting HIM . Therefore I see that Christ calls those that are His as being Himself.
From H.A. Ironside He opens with Isaiah 66:7-8
I put more of chapter 66 to see that Isaiah is definitely talking about the gathering before the TRIBULATION. When we harmonize this with Galatians 4:26: Jerusalem is the MOTHER of us ALL. It all comes together.
66 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
Isaiah 66 coupled with Revelation 12 is amazing. First we see that the Woman delivers the Man-Child before the pain of childbirth. Isaiah makes it clear that this is not natural that the Child comes before the labor.
This fits the scenario of Revelation 12:5 where the Child is born and taken to God before the Woman (Israel) goes into the Tribulation (labor). Isaiah then makes clear that this birth happens in one day and that the earth gives this birth (Isaiah 26:19-21).
Furthermore, this is the birth of a nation. This male child is thus a corporate body. Therefore, the Male-Child of Revelation is a corporate body and this agrees with the similar corporate imagery of the Woman and Dragon. The Woman is the Nation of Israel and the Dragon is Satan heading up his whole world system. The Man-Child is then the corporate Body of Christ with Christ as its head and the Church as its body. The consistent New Testament picture of Christ and the Church is of one body (1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12:4-6, Ephesians 5:23). The Church is also called His bride, but this is the same concept since a man and woman are to be unified in one unit–the two shall be one flesh.
This unity is strengthened by the Book of Revelation 2:26-28. My Note: The King James was not quoted here: Here is King James:
26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works
unto the end, to him will I give power over the
27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the
vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.
28And I will give him the morning star.
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
Christ’s coming rule over the nations will include the Church as part of His administration. One great theologian who believed this way was John Nelson Darby. The following words from him best summarize Christ and the Church’s rule as one body:
“If the mighty man, the mystic man, the man-child of Revelation xii. is to act, He must first be complete. . . . For not until then—until the Church, the body, is united to the Head, Christ, in heaven—is the mystic man in that sense complete; and therefore, the Church must be taken up before Christ can come in judgment.”
PAGAN POLYTHEISM of the TRINITY HERE.
SEE my detailed studies. HEBREWS SHOCK AND AWE
Trinity is Pagan POLYTHEISM BAAL WORSHIP
The Shock and Awe of Paul in the book of Hebrews (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
this is Dr. Woods' interpretation of Revelation 12:5
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Revelation 12 – Birth Before Labor?
Revelation 12 – Birth Before Labor?
January 22, 2017
“I think I may say without exaggeration that I have read or carefully examined several hundred books purporting to expound the Revelation. I have learned to view this twelfth chapter as the crucial test in regard to the correct prophetic outline. If the interpreters are wrong as to the woman and the man-child, it necessarily follows that they will be wrong as to many things connected with them. Therefore I ask your particular attention as we endeavor to see what light Scripture itself throws on this remarkable vision.”
–H.A.Ironside
–H.A.Ironside
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Signs of the End - Orders
Revelation 12 contains the Sign of the Woman and the Male-Child. The Sign of the Woman physically appears in the heavens on September 23, 2017 and it won’t appear again for at least a thousand years. Attempts have been made to dismiss the significant elements of this sign, but to do so reduces this sign to the ordinary. But the Sign cannot be ordinary, if it is to be great as the Apostle John described it. Since it hasn’t happened in nearly 6,000 years and it will not occur again for another 1,000 in the least–that would seem to be pretty great. Here on this site, focus has been placed on the timing of this sign and the deduction that the 70th Week of Daniel or the Day of the Lord must soon begin. But let us get to the core of this sign that has even eluded this author for some time. The core being what these signs represent, especially the Man-Child. Let us look closer at this crucial chapter that H.A. Ironside knew it was decades ago.
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Signs of the End - Orders
Revelation 12 contains the Sign of the Woman and the Male-Child. The Sign of the Woman physically appears in the heavens on September 23, 2017 and it won’t appear again for at least a thousand years. Attempts have been made to dismiss the significant elements of this sign, but to do so reduces this sign to the ordinary. But the Sign cannot be ordinary, if it is to be great as the Apostle John described it. Since it hasn’t happened in nearly 6,000 years and it will not occur again for another 1,000 in the least–that would seem to be pretty great. Here on this site, focus has been placed on the timing of this sign and the deduction that the 70th Week of Daniel or the Day of the Lord must soon begin. But let us get to the core of this sign that has even eluded this author for some time. The core being what these signs represent, especially the Man-Child. Let us look closer at this crucial chapter that H.A. Ironside knew it was decades ago.
Revelation 12:1-5
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. She brought forth a man Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
It is first of all crucial that we understand where Revelation 12 fits into the order of events. Revelation 12 comes after Revelation 11, which concludes the Tribulation or time of judgment. Therefore, the Book of Revelation is not totally linear. Revelation 12 is part of a parenthesis that lays out the unfolding players and plan of God and goes back to the beginning. This has confused many people who think Revelation 12 occurs chronologically after Revelation 11. Understanding this correctly will of course help alleviate some of the confusion.
The Woman with the sun, moon, and twelve stars is a reference back to Joseph and his dream that equated it to his family. This sign is therefore representative of the Nation of Israel. The Sign of the Dragon is Satan and his world system that will persecute the Woman after she gives birth to the Man-Child. The Dragon waits to devour the Man-Child, but the Man-Child is taken or seized to the throne of God. So instead the Dragon goes after the Woman in an attempt to persecute her or more accurately to purge her from the earth.
The crux of the passage is the identity of the MAN-Child. Naturally, it is obvious to most readers that this speaks of Christ. Christ was the promised seed of the woman. Here the Woman is Israel and the Messiah came from Israel and more specifically He came through the line of David through Nathan to Mary. The Messiah, Jesus the Christ, was born but did not rule the nations since he instead suffered on our behalf the death of the cross. He then ascended to heaven. However, one day He will rule from Jerusalem as was anticipated by Psalm 2:6-9.
Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.
On My holy hill of Zion.
I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’
One day Jesus the Son of God will reign from Jerusalem and the Book of Revelation describes that final step. John is referring back to the Psalm to make his point that Jesus will rule the nations. In Revelation 12:5, the Greek uses the word huios for child in “Man-Child”. Huios is the word used for the Son through the whole New Testament. Only once was Jesus not referred to with huios (Son) and the word teknon was used. In 91 verses teknon is used 99 times and only once for Christ. Teknon is the word used for natural offspring where huios speaks of a mature son and heir. Teknon was used by Mary in her quote of erroneously rebuking Jesus for being about His Father’s business when he was thirteen at the Temple. Her use of teknon shows her diminutive treatment of Jesus and forgetting who He really was. So when John penned Revelation 12:5 he rightly used huios to refer to the Son of God, but in the second half he used teknon. That would appear almost scandalous, but that only means we are missing the idea of what John has communicated. Who then does this Man-Child represent in The Revelation?
When John uses huios with male (arsen) in verse 5, he is “guilty” of bad grammar. Huios is masculine and arsen is in the neuter, but this is not a mistake in the least. John is basically copying the Greek from the LXX in Isaiah 66:7. He is using an Old Testament reference that he wants the reader to understand and see the parallel. This will then unlock why he used huios first with teknon at the end of Revelation 12:5.
Isaiah 66:7-8
Before she was in labor, she gave birth;
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
Isaiah 66 coupled with Revelation 12 is amazing. First we see that the Woman delivers the Man-Child before the pain of childbirth. Isaiah makes it clear that this is not natural that the Child comes before the labor. This fits the scenario of Revelation 12:5 where the Child is born and taken to God before the Woman (Israel) goes into the Tribulation (labor). Isaiah then makes clear that this birth happens in one day and that the earth gives this birth (Isaiah 26:19-21). Furthermore, this is the birth of a nation. This male child is thus a corporate body. Therefore, the Male-Child of Revelation is a corporate body and this agrees with the similar corporate imagery of the Woman and Dragon. The Woman is the Nation of Israel and the Dragon is Satan heading up his whole world system. The Man-Child is then the corporate Body of Christ with Christ as its head and the Church as its body. The consistent New Testament picture of Christ and the Church is of one body (1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12:4-6, Ephesians 5:23). The Church is also called His bride, but this is the same concept since a man and woman are to be unified in one unit–the two shall be one flesh. This unity is strengthened by the Book of Revelation 2:26-28.
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
Christ’s coming rule over the nations will include the Church as part of His administration. One great theologian who believed this way was John Nelson Darby. The following words from him best summarize Christ and the Church’s rule as one body:
“If the mighty man, the mystic man, the man-child of Revelation xii. is to act, He must first be complete. . . . For not until then—until the Church, the body, is united to the Head, Christ, in heaven—is the mystic man in that sense complete; and therefore, the Church must be taken up before Christ can come in judgment.”
—John Nelson Darby, Seven Lectures on the Prophetical Addresses to the Seven Churches, 3d rev. ed. (London: G. Morrish, c. 1855), 153–154.
To John Darby, Revelation 12:5 was a cornerstone passage for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. It is most interesting that teknon is the word used when used with the Church. Here in Revelation the teknon child is taken or seized to the throne of God. The word used here for taking the child is harpazo. Harpazo is the word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught (harpazo) up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Here then we see the same scenario. The Body of Christ, the Church, is caught up to Heaven to join the Lord. The corporate body is unified before it can conduct its judgement and rule. As Isaiah 66 says, this nation will be born in one day. In one day, in the twinkling of an eye, the Church will be born again through its promised resurrection and rapture to the Lord. Before Jesus Christ breaks the seals of Revelation, the Church will be there at God’s throne as the corporate body. This fits the scene of Revelation 4-5.
It must also be noted that harpazo is the word reserved for the Rapture and it refers to the snatching away by a thief. This word was not used in the Ascension of Christ. The thief imagery is also consistent with the fact that the Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night (1 Thessalonians 5). But be careful, Paul explains further that those in the light should not be caught by surprise. Those caught in the world system will be.
It is also important in understanding the Man-Child concept to consider Micah 5:2-3.
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”
Therefore He shall give them up,
Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth;
Then the remnant of His brethren
Shall return to the children of Israel.
Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth;
Then the remnant of His brethren
Shall return to the children of Israel.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and He was to be ruler, but instead was rejected, died, and ascended to heaven. Jesus then gave up Israel and called out a people for His name (Acts 15:4). Jesus gives Israel up until the time the Woman gives birth. That birth then is the birth of the Man-Child–the Church, the Body of Christ when it is transformed and taken to heaven. After that birth, the remnant of the Nation of Israel will return. The remaining entire Nation of Israel will be saved after the seven years.
Clearly then, Revelation 12:5 is the description of the Rapture of the Body of Christ to the throne of God. With the Sign of the Woman this September 23, 2017, it is time to be Rapture ready. The Church will soon put on what is incorruptible via the Rapture and then the rest of the world will face the Tribulation of seven years. These final seven years are for Israel (Daniel 9:24, 27) who will become the primary source for evangelism in a world under judgement. Christ will be preparing the way to rule the planet and will rid the earth of the wicked, then the Messianic Kingdom will exist with the ruling of the Man-Child. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven!
Maranatha!
Resources:
Man-Child vs. Child: A Word Study of Rev. 12:5
Revelation 12: Escape to a Place Prepared
The Revelation Sign Compendium
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