Understanding the Revelation 12 Sign - Reproving Dr. Woods & Dustin "Busy For The Lord."

 The Revelation 12 Sign is understood by Revelation 12:5 King James Bible:  The Church will be Raptured before the Tribulation.  The Man Child is the CHURCH and NOT Jesus Christ. The Church will reign with Jesus Christ.

Genesis 1:14

“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”

King James Version (KJV)

Luke 21:25

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

King James Version (KJV)

Amos 5:8

Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:”

King James Version (KJV)

Psalm 136:7-9 KJB

7To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:

8The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:

9The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Dustin at :"Busy for the Lord."

(92) PROPHECY IN THE STARS? Examination of the Revelation 12 Sign, Constellations, & Prophecy!!! - YouTube

How dare Dr. Woods and Dustin say the Signs in Heavens are GREEK MYTHOLOGY 

Woods begins his strawman argument by saying the signs in the heavens related to bible prophecy is GREEK MYTHOLOGY.  

He lies saying this is symbolic using SIMILE  See my notes and understand simile vs metaphor.  He compares Revelation 12 to Genesis 37 and leaves it at Israel.  He lies and says that Rapture CAUGHT UP is what happened to Jesus. He says that when Herod tried to kill Jesus this was fulfilled as the physical and Revelation 12 is the spiritual.  Read my study and find the many flaws of Dr. Woods.  

Revelation 12:5

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

King James Version (KJV)

Revelation 3:21

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

King James Version (KJV)

Galatians 4:26

“But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”

King James Version (KJV)

Romans 4:16

“Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”

King James Version (KJV)

John 8:39

“They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

King James Version (KJV)

John 8:58

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

King James Version (KJV)

Perverted translation:

Revelation 12:5

New American Standard Bible

The Male Child, Christ

5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to [a]rule all the [b]nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. 

footnotes:  a: or shepherd   b: or gentiles  

See Details further below:

The purpose of this study is to soundly reprove Dr. Woods and this Dustin at "Busy for the Lord" on their misguided and sloppy exegesis of scripture and worse their use of the perverted Bible translation to teach.   REVELATION 12 SIGN


My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. James 3:1 King James Bible

Why King James Bible?

 Dr. Woods gets Revelation 12:6-17 correct. However, Sadly Dr. Woods and this young misguided young man Dustin at "Busy for the Lord" are using perverted BIBLE translations; If you compare the NASB Revelation 12:5 with the KING JAMES BIBLE you will see a major difference. It is disgusting actually. I exposed Dr. Woods back 2018 when he destroyed Luke 17:21 in his otherwise good study on the coming Kingdom. You can read this for yourself:

Just as Dr. Woods made a a mockery of Luke 17 he is now doing the same thing with Revelation 12:5. Note, he gets Revelation 12:6-17 correct but he mangles 12:5 KJB. I did a study on the Revelation 12:5 sign back in 2017. WAY before the 2017 Revelation 12 sign crowd - early church fathers knew that the Man Child represented the Church RAPTURED CAUGHT UP HARPAZO G726 (NOT ascended as Jesus Christ did. study please).

Background:  In order to understand the Church and its relationship with Jesus Christ in the context of Revelation 12:5 we must understand  Psalm 2, Psalm 110, Acts 2:32-39, Romans 1:2, 2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:10, (12:5 of course), 20:6 King James Bible.

I have here detailed studies that are "directly related" that I urge you to take the time to research. 

The Shock and Awe of Paul in the book of Hebrews (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

We Saints will literally rule with Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Understanding the End Timeline - #Rapture #Tribulation #Millennial Reign of Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Woe Be unto You who think there is NO PRE TRIB-RAPTURE. (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Church of Philadelphia VS The Church of Laodicea (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Church of Philadelphia will be Raptured, Receive Crowns and Reign with Christ. Which Church do you belong? (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Little Flock Comes to The Church; The Antivenom for the Hyper-Dispensationalist (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Bride - The Wife - The Church - One in Israel - One in Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Lord Rebuke all who deny the Church as the Bride of Christ - They very likely may be Bridesmaids... (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Co reigning with Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Why Hyper-Dispensationalists Remove Prophecy for the Church (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Essential Necessity of Understanding the BEMA - Our Crowns - Our Rule with Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

To be a Good Soldier for Jesus We have to Know our Authority and Responsibility in order to Strive Lawfully (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

The Scripture that keeps Trinitarians and Jews up at night. Psalm 110:1 KJV (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Answering Trinitarians: What does Christ sitting on the Right Hand of God mean? (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Dear Saint. Remember Jesus is right in the midst of it with us. (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

Revelation 12:5

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

King James Version (KJV)

Perverted translation:

Revelation 12:5

New American Standard Bible

The Male Child, Christ

5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to [a]rule all the [b]nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. 

footnotes:  a: or shepherd   b: or gentiles  

Son vs Man Child  why the NASB and other perverted bibles add Son.  (male child ESV, NKJV) .  Male and Son with child denotes infant birth.  Man CHILD is an adult male brought forth from travail and suffering. Since this is humanly impossible this must be a METAPHOR Not a Simile as Dr. Woods is trying to teach saying that the use of simile uses LIKE.  Show me where the set up for simile is used.  Study the difference between metaphor and simile. 

In the King James Bible "brought forth" is G5088 tikto primary word  tiktō - in the context of BIRTH of Jesus Christ is always used with SON but NEVER MAN CHILD.  The only two times G5088 is used as bring forth with MAN CHILD is Revelation Chapter 12:5 and verse 13. 

Man G730  arrhen, arsen John uses man in the neuter meaning a body NOT an individual and Child G5207 uihos   used for the sons of Abraham used to describe those who are born again Luke 20:36 KJB. In the New Testament = Christians whose character God, as a loving father shapes by chastisements (Hebrews 12:5-8 KJB). Those who revere God as their father, the worshippers of God, who in character and life resemble God, who are governed BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. Romans 8:14, Galatians 3:26. KINSHIP  See my study, come meet my Kinsman Redeemer:

*See notes below on more details

Matthew 1:21: And she shall bring forth G5088 a son, Matthew 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth G5088 a son, Matthew 1:25: And knew her not till she had brought forth G5088 her firstborn son: Luke 1:31: And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth G5088 a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Mark 10:15

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

King James Version (KJV)

1 Corinthians 13:11

“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”

King James Version (KJV)

To produce from a seed. Jesus Christ did NOT proceed from the seed of Joseph or Mary. He was conceived and born NOT as a Human but Man. .   



Grammar lesson:  brought forth a man child does not mean the same as brought forth a son, a male.  The King James translators did not add the word SON because of the TEXTUS RECEPTUS translation. See study on why the King James Bible is THE FINAL AUTHORITY OF GOD's WORD. 

who is going to [a]rule the [b]nations NASB


who was to rule all nations King James Bible

going to = future tense with a definite article.  I urge to study the meaning and use of a definite article "the" and compare with all nations without an article.  A 5th grade grammar student can point out this shocking difference. I will let the reader figure this out for themselves.  

Now look at future tense verse the NASB NIV etc PERVERTED BIBLES and compare with  KING JAMES BIBLE use of past tense 3rd person (in context) with the infinitive of the verb To Rule.  

Future tense there is NOT PRE CONDITION,.

to be plus infinitive KING JAMES BIBLE = To talk about pre-conditions

The structure be + infinitive is used to talk about official plans and arrangements in a formal style.

The Prime Minister is to visit Africa next month.
We are to get a wage rise in May.

Be can be followed by a perfect infinitive (to have + past participle) to show that a planned event did not happen.

I was to have returned last month, but I changed my mind.

To talk about pre-conditions

* rule = one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere:


Isaiah 66:7-12  King James Bible

7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

9Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

10Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:

11That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.

12For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.


Church RAPTURED CAUGHT UP HARPAZO G726 (NOT ascended as Jesus Christ did. study please.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJB   RAPTURE

2 Corinthians 12:2 KJB  Paul was Raptured into the 3rd Heaven

Revelation 12:5 KJB  The Church is Raptured... Here is a literary interlude in which John is shown that the church birthed from Israel - Abraham  was under tremendous persecution after Pentecost Acts of the Apostles and was RAPTURED before the Tribulation began.  

ALL OTHER HARPAZO uses refer to violent snatching up. 


Luke Chapter 24

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

carried up = G399 = to lift up oneself... 

Ascends Into Heaven Mark 16:19 KJV Mark Chapter 16 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

= to raise up 

John 3:13

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

King James Version (KJV)

=  G305 ARISE TO GO UP (In the context of stepping (under one's own power)

Acts 1:9 KJV

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

G1869 tO LIFT UP RAISE UP (into the air).

King James Bible  UNTO GOD and To His (God's) Throne.

Unto in this context means:  FOR THE PURPOSE OF. Research the etymology and the Oxford English Dictionary in this context.

NASB and other PERVERTED translations: read: "caught up TO God and TO HIS THRONE. 


An elementary student understands that UNTO GOD and TO GOD are different and mean in context that Jesus IN CONTEXT of Dr. Woods and Dustin, would have been raptured up and stand before God almighty and stand at God's Throne and NOT his own.


SEE my detailed studies.  HEBREWS SHOCK AND AWE


The Shock and Awe of Paul in the book of Hebrews (thethirdheaventraveler.com)

this is Dr. Woods' interpretation of Revelation 12:5 


The following study is provided by:
Signs of the End
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Signs of the End
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“But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that this day should overtake you like a thief in the night  1Thessalonians 5:4
This web site looks for the best scenario of the coming time in light of the Bible
Revelation 12 – Birth Before Labor?
January 22, 2017
“I think I may say without exaggeration that I have read or carefully examined several hundred books purporting to expound the Revelation. I have learned to view this twelfth chapter as the crucial test in regard to the correct prophetic outline. If the interpreters are wrong as to the woman and the man-child, it necessarily follows that they will be wrong as to many things connected with them. Therefore I ask your particular attention as we endeavor to see what light Scripture itself throws on this remarkable vision.” 
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Signs of the End - Orders
Revelation 12 contains the Sign of the Woman and the Male-Child. The Sign of the Woman physically appears in the heavens on September 23, 2017 and it won’t appear again for at least a thousand years. Attempts have been made to dismiss the significant elements of this sign, but to do so reduces this sign to the ordinary. But the Sign cannot be ordinary, if it is to be great as the Apostle John described it. Since it hasn’t happened in nearly 6,000 years and it will not occur again for another 1,000 in the least–that would seem to be pretty great. Here on this site, focus has been placed on the timing of this sign and the deduction that the 70th Week of Daniel or the Day of the Lord must soon begin. But let us get to the core of this sign that has even eluded this author for some time. The core being what these signs represent, especially the Man-Child. Let us look closer at this crucial chapter that H.A. Ironside knew it was decades ago.
Revelation 12:1-5
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.  She brought forth a man Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.  Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
It is first of all crucial that we understand where Revelation 12 fits into the order of events. Revelation 12 comes after Revelation 11, which concludes the Tribulation or time of judgment. Therefore, the Book of Revelation is not totally linear. Revelation 12 is part of a parenthesis that lays out the unfolding players and plan of God and goes back to the beginning. This has confused many people who think Revelation 12 occurs chronologically after Revelation 11. Understanding this correctly will of course help alleviate some of the confusion.
The Woman with the sun, moon, and twelve stars is a reference back to Joseph and his dream that equated it to his family. This sign is therefore representative of the Nation of Israel. The Sign of the Dragon is Satan and his world system that will persecute the Woman after she gives birth to the Man-Child. The Dragon waits to devour the Man-Child, but the Man-Child is taken or seized to the throne of God. So instead the Dragon goes after the Woman in an attempt to persecute her or more accurately to purge her from the earth.
The crux of the passage is the identity of the MAN-Child. Naturally, it is obvious to most readers that this speaks of Christ. Christ was the promised seed of the woman. Here the Woman is Israel and the Messiah came from Israel and more specifically He came through the line of David through Nathan to Mary. The Messiah, Jesus the Christ, was born but did not rule the nations since he instead suffered on our behalf the death of the cross. He then ascended to heaven. However, one day He will rule from Jerusalem as was anticipated by Psalm 2:6-9.
Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.
I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’
One day Jesus the Son of God will reign from Jerusalem and the Book of Revelation describes that final step. John is referring back to the Psalm to make his point that Jesus will rule the nations. In Revelation 12:5, the Greek uses the word huios for child in “Man-Child”. Huios is the word used for the Son through the whole New Testament. Only once was Jesus not referred to with huios (Son) and the word teknon was used. In 91 verses teknon is used 99 times and only once for Christ.  Teknon is the word used for natural offspring where huios speaks of a mature son and heir. Teknon was used by Mary in her quote of erroneously rebuking Jesus for being about His Father’s business when he was thirteen at the Temple. Her use of teknon shows her diminutive treatment of Jesus and forgetting who He really was. So when John penned Revelation 12:5 he rightly used huios to refer to the Son of God, but in the second half he used teknon. That would appear almost scandalous, but that only means we are missing the idea of what John has communicated. Who then does this Man-Child represent in The Revelation?
When John uses huios with male (arsen) in verse 5, he is “guilty” of bad grammar. Huios is masculine and arsen is in the neuter, but this is not a mistake in the least. John is basically copying the Greek from the LXX in Isaiah 66:7. He is using an Old Testament reference that he wants the reader to understand and see the parallel. This will then unlock why he used huios first with teknon at the end of Revelation 12:5.
Isaiah 66:7-8
Before she was in labor, she gave birth;
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
Isaiah 66 coupled with Revelation 12 is amazing. First we see that the Woman delivers the Man-Child before the pain of childbirth. Isaiah makes it clear that this is not natural that the Child comes before the labor. This fits the scenario of Revelation 12:5 where the Child is born and taken to God before the Woman (Israel) goes into the Tribulation (labor). Isaiah then makes clear that this birth happens in one day and that the earth gives this birth (Isaiah 26:19-21). Furthermore, this is the birth of a nation. This male child is thus a corporate body. Therefore, the Male-Child of Revelation is a corporate body and this agrees with the similar corporate imagery of the Woman and Dragon. The Woman is the Nation of Israel and the Dragon is Satan heading up his whole world system. The Man-Child is then the corporate Body of Christ with Christ as its head and the Church as its body. The consistent New Testament picture of Christ and the Church is of one body (1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12:4-6, Ephesians 5:23). The Church is also called His bride, but this is the same concept since a man and woman are to be unified in one unit–the two shall be one flesh. This unity is strengthened by the Book of Revelation 2:26-28.
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
Christ’s coming rule over the nations will include the Church as part of His administration. One great theologian who believed this way was John Nelson Darby. The following words from him best summarize Christ and the Church’s rule as one body:
“If the mighty man, the mystic man, the man-child of Revelation xii. is to act, He must first be complete. . . . For not until then—until the Church, the body, is united to the Head, Christ, in heaven—is the mystic man in that sense complete; and therefore, the Church must be taken up before Christ can come in judgment.”
—John Nelson Darby, Seven Lectures on the Prophetical Addresses to the Seven Churches, 3d rev. ed. (London: G. Morrish, c. 1855), 153–154.
To John Darby, Revelation 12:5 was a cornerstone passage for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. It is most interesting that teknon is the word used when used with the Church. Here in Revelation the teknon child is taken or seized to the throne of God. The word used here for taking the child is harpazo.  Harpazo is the word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught (harpazo) up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Here then we see the same scenario. The Body of Christ, the Church, is caught up to Heaven to join the Lord. The corporate body is unified before it can conduct its judgement and rule.  As Isaiah 66 says, this nation will be born in one day. In one day, in the twinkling of an eye, the Church will be born again through its promised resurrection and rapture to the Lord. Before Jesus Christ breaks the seals of Revelation, the Church will be there at God’s throne as the corporate body. This fits the scene of Revelation 4-5.
It must also be noted that harpazo is the word reserved for the Rapture and it refers to the snatching away by a thief. This word was not used in the Ascension of Christ. The thief imagery is also consistent with the fact that the Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night (1 Thessalonians 5). But be careful, Paul explains further that those in the light should not be caught by surprise. Those caught in the world system will be.
It is also important in understanding the Man-Child concept to consider Micah 5:2-3.   
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”
Therefore He shall give them up,
Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth;
Then the remnant of His brethren
Shall return to the children of Israel.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and He was to be ruler, but instead was rejected, died, and ascended to heaven. Jesus then gave up Israel and called out a people for His name (Acts 15:4). Jesus gives Israel up until the time the Woman gives birth. That birth then is the birth of the Man-Child–the Church, the Body of Christ when it is transformed and taken to heaven. After that birth, the remnant of the Nation of Israel will return. The remaining entire Nation of Israel will be saved after the seven years.
Clearly then, Revelation 12:5 is the description of the Rapture of the Body of Christ to the throne of God. With the Sign of the Woman this September 23, 2017, it is time to be Rapture ready. The Church will soon put on what is incorruptible via the Rapture and then the rest of the world will face the Tribulation of seven years. These final seven years are for Israel (Daniel 9:24, 27) who will become the primary source for evangelism in a world under judgement. Christ will be preparing the way to rule the planet and will rid the earth of the wicked, then the Messianic Kingdom will exist with the ruling of the Man-Child. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven!
Man-Child vs. Child: A Word Study of Rev. 12:5
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